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Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

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As you seem to be aware, Trump's people have used it without Trump's knowledge.

Already addressed, no credible evidence exists that your wild claim is true, but here is a recap for you. All presidents have used it, but Biden's staff abused it. That is a far different matter which you can't seem to address.

Which isn't as bad as what happened to him in his first attempt to be a president:

Trump’s aides stole his papers ‘to protect the country’

President Donald Trump’s closest aides have taken extraordinary measures in the White House to try to stop what they saw as his most dangerous impulses, going so far as to swipe and hide papers from his desk so he wouldn’t sign them,
Nice pivot and diversion from the auto pen issue. I treat your source as bull hockey from a trump hater. Not reliable , but it does serve your purpose well.
 
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Yeah he put on quite a show. Now he can do his little routine from behind bars.

Now hes a star in his own play. Good for him. No sympathy from me.


Well, the judge should have kept his mouth shut. He doesn't get to make that claim yet as there has been no trial. If he wants the release that guy until the next hearing, fine. But no commentary.
It was a legal opinion based on the evidence presented in the charge, and good advice. Felonious assault generally requires intent to kill or inflict serious bodily injury, which they clearly cannot prove.
 
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The court only found him guilty of lying when he said he didn't sexually assault the female in question. Then, after losing the trial, he slandered her yet again. So she sued him again, and won an even bigger judgement. He's not very bright, you know.
Civil case no criminal charges were filed. He said she said . All about money nothing else. Trial in NY a gotch Trump state. Trump was sued for defamation over stating "she's not my type" really??? Just a money grab attempt. Defamation case under appeal. Civil case can be appealed to the Supreme Court but is unlikely they would take it. Is this nonsense all you've got? f you worked this hard to expose corruption on your side of the isle we would be getting somewhere. Oh never mind Bondi is on it. Stay tuned.
 
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Yep. The case went to court and he was found guilty of covering up having sex with a porn star. Both him and her are adults not children. And yet he still won the election. Go figure.
Trump was convicted of falsifying business records, which was one component of the cover up, not the cover up itself. Trump could have legally lied to voters about the affair. To his wife about the affair. Even paid hush money legally.

What he couldn't do legally is have his lawyer pay her off and call the repayment to the lawyer in the records of his business "legal expanses" because they were not.

(And if he could have, Trump may have used campaign funds, but those couldn't be expensed for such a purpose either and would also have required falsifying records to cover up the illegal use of campaign funds [FEC rules]. I'll note here that Hillary's campaign was simultaneously mislabeling "oppo research" as "legal fees" for which they were fined by the FEC. The difference for Trump is that "oppo research" is legal, and using campaign funds to pay for personal expenses [like hush money or mortgage payments] is not.)

Now back to the authoritarian surge in Washington which is either a distraction from Epstein, or an attempt to move to a police state, or both. you decide...
 
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So what it is, is that when Trump does something that's already been done by prominent Democrat politicians, it's suddenly a nazi police state maneuver, which is just pure hysterics.

Of course a Trump excuser would think those two situations are, in any way comparable.
 
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Trump was convicted of falsifying business records, which was one component of the cover up, not the cover up itself. Trump could have legally lied to voters about the affair. To his wife about the affair. Even paid hush money legally.

What he couldn't do legally is have his lawyer pay her off and call the repayment to the lawyer in the records of his business "legal expanses" because they were not.
Right. Thanks for expanding on what I actually said.
 
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I've mentioned before that when I lived in DC, it was drenched in crime. Someone was shot every single day, with an extra on weekends. I myself was mugged at gunpoint twice in 72 hours...and almost shot the second time.

People will point to DC's crime statistics going down over the last few years, but if you live there you might not feel that.

However....

...militarizing the streets doesn't solve the problem.

The prosecution and punishment side of the justice system has not changed under Trump’s emergency order.

Trump’s move is focused on policing: Who controls the D.C. police, whether the National Guard and federal agents supplement patrols, and how encampments and street crime are handled. It’s about who has authority to detain and make arrests, not about what happens after.

Trials still go through the DC courts. Judges and sentencing rules remain the same. Incarceration is still managed by the D.C. Department of Corrections (for local jails) and the Federal Bureau of Prisons (for long-term sentences). No new prisons or punishment systems are being created under this plan.

All of those systems are already strained. More policing will just strain them more.

If all happens is more policing on the street, there isn't actually “more justice,” just more strain and dysfunction.

The U.S. Attorney for D.C. already struggles with caseloads. They're already dropping many misdemeanors or lower felonies due to resource limits.

If arrests surge but prosecutors can’t expand capacity, more cases will either get dismissed outright, or never be charged. That's going to lead to a “revolving door” effect: more arrests, same number of prosecutions. And criminals will figure that out real quick.
 
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All of those systems are already strained. More policing will just strain them more.
Much of it seems performative. I mean troops occupying the Lincoln memorial might be a great photo op, but I don't think it's going to cut down on crime very much.

Fun Fact: The present occupant of the WH was found guilty of 34 more felony counts than the average Washingtonian.

The U.S. Attorney for D.C. already struggles with caseloads. They're already dropping many misdemeanors or lower felonies due to resource limits.
I'm guessing the sandwich thug won't be let go, though. If we let him go, next they'll be pelting people with pizza.
 
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Civil case no criminal charges were filed. He said she said . All about money nothing else.
Actually, the court found that it was about Trump sexually assaulting the woman and then slandering her when she talked about his crime. The money was just a way to punish the criminal and help the victim.

I would think you'd blame the guys attempting to deflect from the Epstein crimes. But maybe not...
 
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As you seem to be aware, Trump's people have used it without Trump's knowledge.

Already addressed, no credible evidence exists that your wild claim is true

Trump's wild accusation, no...

Trump doubles down on claims, without evidence, that Biden aides illegally used autopen

Trump doubles down on claims, without evidence, that Biden aides illegally used autopen

There is no evidence for that, but there is some evidence that Trump's underlings used it without his knowledge:

And even Trump himself has acknowledged using the autopen for certain things.
Trump said back in March he has used it but “only for very unimportant papers.” He specifically cited responding to people’s letters.

But in another case, Trump rather curiously seemed to indicate that he hadn’t signed a major proclamation that bore his signature – the one at issue in his attempt to rapidly deport migrants using the Alien Enemies Act. That proclamation is a major issue in litigation that has already reached all the way to the Supreme Court.

“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it,” Trump said, adding: “Other people handled it, but (Secretary of State) Marco Rubio has done a great job and he wanted them out and we go along with that.”
Given the proclamation bore Trump’s signature, that seemed to raise the possibility that the administration might have used the autopen for it. The White House later claimed Trump had in fact signed the proclamation and that he was instead referring to not having signed the original Alien Enemies Act.


Now, Trump's memory isn't what it used to be, but here his aides used autopen, and he was unaware of it. Maybe he never knew what they did, or maybe he just approved an important document and forget that he did it. One of those.

Which isn't as bad as what happened to him in his first attempt to be a president:


Trump’s aides stole his papers ‘to protect the country’

President Donald Trump’s closest aides have taken extraordinary measures in the White House to try to stop what they saw as his most dangerous impulses, going so far as to swipe and hide papers from his desk so he wouldn’t sign them,
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html

Nice pivot and diversion from the auto pen issue.
Two sides of the same coin. In the first, Trump's aides stole papers to keep him from doing what he wanted to do. In the second, they used autopen to effect things he later admitted that he never did.

I treat your source as bull hockey from a trump hater.
It's quoting Trump. He might be guilty of a lot of things, but he's not self-loathing.
 
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Felonious assault generally requires intent to kill or inflict serious bodily injury, which they clearly cannot prove.
IIRC, it's a felony to assault an officer of the federal government, period. So this guy might be in a lot of trouble. But I'm thinking that if the prosecutor takes this to a jury, we'll see a lot of bad puns and an acquittal.
 
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I've mentioned before that when I lived in DC, it was drenched in crime. Someone was shot every single day, with an extra on weekends. I myself was mugged at gunpoint twice in 72 hours...and almost shot the second time.

People will point to DC's crime statistics going down over the last few years, but if you live there you might not feel that.

However....

...militarizing the streets doesn't solve the problem.

The prosecution and punishment side of the justice system has not changed under Trump’s emergency order.

Trump’s move is focused on policing: Who controls the D.C. police, whether the National Guard and federal agents supplement patrols, and how encampments and street crime are handled. It’s about who has authority to detain and make arrests, not about what happens after.

Trials still go through the DC courts. Judges and sentencing rules remain the same. Incarceration is still managed by the D.C. Department of Corrections (for local jails) and the Federal Bureau of Prisons (for long-term sentences). No new prisons or punishment systems are being created under this plan.

All of those systems are already strained. More policing will just strain them more.

If all happens is more policing on the street, there isn't actually “more justice,” just more strain and dysfunction.

The U.S. Attorney for D.C. already struggles with caseloads. They're already dropping many misdemeanors or lower felonies due to resource limits.

If arrests surge but prosecutors can’t expand capacity, more cases will either get dismissed outright, or never be charged. That's going to lead to a “revolving door” effect: more arrests, same number of prosecutions. And criminals will figure that out real quick.
The idea is to deter rather than arrest. As for the prosecution end of it, the USAO-DC in charge of that is fully in favor of Trump's order.
 
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It was a legal opinion based on the evidence presented in the charge, and good advice. Felonious assault generally requires intent to kill or inflict serious bodily injury, which they clearly cannot prove.
Any kind of physical attack against an LO can be ruled as a felonious assault.
 
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I would think you'd blame the guys attempting to deflect from the Epstein crimes. But maybe not...
Epstein crimes have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. And staying on topic is not a deflection. If you want to debate about Epstein crimes then start a thread about that, rather than derailing other threads with it.
 
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The idea is to deter rather than arrest. As for the prosecution end of it, the USAO-DC in charge of that is fully in favor of Trump's order.
As I said, criminals figure out very quickly that the system is merely a revolving door.

Of course the USAO-DC is "fully in favor." Trump has made it very clear what happens to people in his branch what happens if they are not "fully in favor" of his orders.
 
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