No, Israel is not starving poor Gazan children. Don't buy the fake news lies

The idea that Hamas is the result or symptom of the Palestinians being persecuted is a falsehood and propaganda by Islamists. The latest tactic in the war against the west is to sow the same hatred and division it creates in its own culture.

We only have to look at the plight of citizens within these regimes and find many inhumane treatments of their own people. Or to cast our minds back to when the west was the target.

Even the Arabs admit there is no such people as Palestinians. This is a politically created narrative to undermine the legitimacy of Isreal. Everything is done to eliminate Isreal and the Jews.

Those who call for a two State solution backing Palestinians over Isreal is cultivating division and hate against Isreal. If everyone were united against Hamas and the evil ideology behind it then we can eradicate this evil in the world that has been brewing for decades now.

We pretended that they were like us and could be won with money and reason. But this is not about land or justice but an ideological belief that Isreal should not exist fullstop.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

God gave the land of Palestine to Jews. it is a simple Biblical truth. What happened in 1948 is irrelevant.

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Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others?

JusticePercell said:

Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others?

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I am a Christian who accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior at a young age. Since that time, I have consistently followed Jesus and obeyed to the teachings of the Bible.

I have once simple question;

Do you believe the Bible is inspired by God? It seems like you wants to talk about everything except what is written in Word of God.

JusticePercell said:

Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others?

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Islam forced their religion on the several clans that lived in the Levant during the 7th and 8th centuries. Hamas forces their Islamic fundamentalism on those in Gaza and surrounding areas. And yet, you defend Hamas.

stevevw said:

The idea that Hamas is the result or symptom of the Palestinians being persecuted is a falsehood and propaganda by Islamists.

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Hamas is a product of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. The occupation of the Palestinian territories and unjust treatment of Palestinians provided a fertile environment for the rise of an Islamic terrorist group and its ability to recruit and gain support among a largely Muslim population. Hamas was able to thrive because many Palestinians, after 20 years of occupation following the 1967 war, became frustrated with the secular Palestinian organizations' lack of progress in ending the occupation and the creation of an independent Palestinian state. The creation of Hamas and its rise to power were a result of Palestinian anger, desperation, and frustration.

stevevw said:

Those who call for a two State solution backing Palestinians over Isreal is cultivating division and hate against Isreal. If everyone were united against Hamas and the evil ideology behind it then we can eradicate this evil in the world that has been brewing for decades now.

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The only way Hamas can be eradicated is by addressing the long-standing grievances of the Palestinians, improving the lives of the Palestinian people, and creating an independent Palestinian state. Anything short of these things will ensure that Hamas and/or its violent ideology will survive and continue to be a threat to Israel and peace in the region.

Hentenza said:

Islam forced their religion on the several clans that lived in the Levant during the 7th and 8th centuries. Hamas forces their Islamic fundamentalism on those in Gaza and surrounding areas. And yet, you defend Hamas.

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That is not answering the questions. Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others? If you don't want to answer, fine, I'll take it the answers are no, no, no, and yes.

JusticePercell said:

That is not answering the questions. Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others? If you don't want to answer, fine, I'll take it the answers are no, no, no, and yes.

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Once again and again my argument has absolutely nothing to do with human rights. My argument is that the root cause for ALL of the death and destruction in Gaza is Hamas. You think you have an aha moment with the questions but all you are doing is deflecting.

Also, don’t answer the questions for me. That is goading and a violation of CF rules.

JusticePercell said:

That is not answering the questions. Do you believe in human rights? Should Christians believe in human rights? Is freedom of religion a human right that Christians should support? Do you have a right to force your religion on others? If you don't want to answer, fine, I'll take it the answers are no, no, no, and yes.

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Before discussing topics such as human rights, separation of church and state, or religious freedom, which are all man made policies, it may be helpful for Christians to first read and understand the theological perspectives regarding God's plan and promise.

Here is what God says about Israel and the promised land.

Genesis 12:7
Then the Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.”

Genesis 26:2–3
And the Lord appeared to [Abraham] and said . . . “Sojourn in this land, and I will be with you and will bless you, for to you and to your offspring* I will give all these lands, and I will establish the oath that I swore to Abraham your father.”

Genesis 28:12–13
And [Jacob] dreamed . . . And behold, the Lord . . . said, “I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac. The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring.”

Genesis 35:9
God appeared to Jacob again . . . and God said to him, . . . “The land that I gave to Abraham and Isaac I will give to you, and I will give the land to your offspring.”

Genesis 48:3–4
Jacob said to Joseph, “God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, and said to me, ‘Behold, I will make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will make of you a company of peoples and will give this land to your offspring after you for an everlasting possession.’”

Genesis 50:24
Joseph said to his brothers, “I am about to die, but God will visit you and bring you up out of this land to the land that he swore to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.”

Genesis 15:18
On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”

Exodus 23:31
And I will set your border from the Red Sea to the Sea of the Philistines, and from the wilderness to the Euphrates, for I will give the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you shall drive them out before you.

Genesis 13:15
All the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.


1 Chronicles 16:14–18
Remember his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac, which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant, saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan, as your portion for an inheritance.”

Genesis 17:8
I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.

JosephZ said:

Hamas is a product of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. The occupation of the Palestinian territories and unjust treatment of Palestinians provided a fertile environment for the rise of an Islamic terrorist group and its ability to recruit and gain support among a largely Muslim population. Hamas was able to thrive because many Palestinians, after 20 years of occupation following the 1967 war, became frustrated with the secular Palestinian organizations' lack of progress in ending the occupation and the creation of an independent Palestinian state. The creation of Hamas and its rise to power were a result of Palestinian anger, desperation, and frustration.

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Isreal pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and the opportunity for Palestinians to self govern. They chose to empower radical ideologues that were around way from the current conflict.

The same radicals I might add who list westerners just below the Jews in exterminating if we don't conform to their radical ideology.

JosephZ said:

The only way Hamas can be eradicated is by addressing the long-standing grievances of the Palestinians, improving the lives of the Palestinian people, and creating an independent Palestinian state. Anything short of these things will ensure that Hamas and/or its violent ideology will survive and continue to be a threat to Israel and peace in the region.

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That won't happen until Hamas either surrender or are gone from Gaza. Hopefully the root of this radical ideology Iran with it.

The idea that Hamas is some legitimate war and terror due to percieved past wrongs is the very ideology that is causing the conflicts. Hamas ontologicall believe in a different reality. No amount of cowing andcatering to the demands will change their fundemental belief that Isreal is to be eliminated from the land and the face of the earth.

These radicals have even admitted this ie

Hamas in Its Own Words​

The Hamas Charter:
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (Preamble to Hamas Charter).

The Hamas Charter specifically dates Hamas’ ideological roots to well before the establishment of Israel and sees itself as part of a “chain of the struggle” against not only the state of Israel but also Jews (who they term “Zionists”) who lived there before it became Israel in 1948.

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz ad-Din al-Qassam and his brethren the fighters [and] members of Muslim Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Muslim Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1968 and after. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).

Hamas sees the territory of Israel as exclusive to all the world’s Muslims (not just Palestinians), forbids a Jewish state on “any part” of the land and promotes the idea that it is the “duty for every Muslim” to reverse Israel’s existence:

The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [holy possession] consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part or abandon it or any part of it. (Hamas Charter, Article 11).

Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim wherever he may be. (Hamas Charter, Article 13).

In its founding charter, Hamas cites a particularly violent hadith as proof that Muslims need to fight and kill Jews:

The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).

Peace is not an option for Hamas, only violence:

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. (Hamas Charter, Article 13).

Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel.

Hamas also rejected any prospect of peace or coexistence with the state of Israel. “Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.”

In December 2012, Khaled Mashaal, a leader in exile, reflected the traditional Hamas hardline, “The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”

When activist cry from the "River to the Sea" they are actually declaring the elimination of Isreal.

• Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.”
• Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”
• Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas' strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices... In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.”
• Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”

JosephZ said:

Hamas is a product of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. The occupation of the Palestinian territories and unjust treatment of Palestinians provided a fertile environment for the rise of an Islamic terrorist group and its ability to recruit and gain support among a largely Muslim population. Hamas was able to thrive because many Palestinians, after 20 years of occupation following the 1967 war, became frustrated with the secular Palestinian organizations' lack of progress in ending the occupation and the creation of an independent Palestinian state. The creation of Hamas and its rise to power were a result of Palestinian anger, desperation, and frustration.

The only way Hamas can be eradicated is by addressing the long-standing grievances of the Palestinians, improving the lives of the Palestinian people, and creating an independent Palestinian state. Anything short of these things will ensure that Hamas and/or its violent ideology will survive and continue to be a threat to Israel and peace in the region.

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What measures can be implemented to enhance the well-being of Palestinians and improve their quality of life?

Hentenza said:

Once again and again my argument has absolutely nothing to do with human rights. My argument is that the root cause for ALL of the death and destruction in Gaza is Hamas. You think you have an aha moment with the questions but all you are doing is deflecting.

Also, don’t answer the questions for me. That is goading and a violation of CF rules.

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Ok, it comes out, you couldn't care less about human rights. I thought as much. So, a Christian can murder, rape, rob, or do whatever for whatever reason, and it doesn't matter. And it is a great rationale to support Israel. What a great religion!

The Preamble of the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights begins, "Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, . . ."

There you are! You have no regard for human rights, and you have not been outraged by any barbarous acts. Congratulations! You have just defined the critical difference between those who support Israel and those who have a moral conscience.

I expect that most other Christians who read this will be disgusted by the unconcern for human rights. That goes against everything Christians are supposed to be about.

However, I also believe that you have helped Christians, especially those who do have a moral conscience, to understand that supporting Israel is a rejection of human rights, basic morality, and Christianity.

How clever of Hamas to disguise themselves as to impersonate defenseless mothers and starving children!

According to the 2023-2924 CIA World Factbook, Gaza has one of the youngest and most densely populated demographics in the world - where 42.5% of Gaza's population is aged 14 or less and the median age of the territories 2,141,000 inhabitants just 18.4 years territory's median age was just 18 in 2020,

GAZA vs ISRAEL DEMOGRAPHICS
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% of population ages 0 to 14 - 42.5% (Gaza) vs 36.8% (Israel)ar

% of population ages ages 15 to 24 - 31.7% (Gaza) vs 15.7% (Israel)

birth rates - 21.8 births/1000 population (Gaza) vs 17.5 births/1000 population (Israel)

median age - 18.5 years (Gaza) vs 30.4 years (Israel)

literacy rate - 97.2% (Gaza) vs 97.8% (Israel)

education - 13.5 years, 13 years male/14 years female (Gaza) vs 18 years - 19 years male 17 years female (Israel)

Given the senseless deaths and injuries incurred by friends and family primarily women and children), years of deprivation/humiliation, unemployed with no homes and future without hope , Netanyahu and his "motley crew" of right-wing have planted the seeds that will haunt Israel for generations - 100,000''s of young, well-educated Gazas

The deaths, injuries incurred by their friends and family, no homes to return and a future without hope, Netanyahu and his right-wing accomplices are sowing the seeds that will haunt Israel for generations - 100,000's of relatively well-educated Gazans, with nothing to lose, whose only mission in life will be to extract revenge will give rise to newer, mpre violent Palestinian terrorist groups, that will make Hama and Hezbollah appear ""PALE* in comparison!

With an aging population, a significantly lower birth and a military where Orthodox Jews have been exempt from enlistment since 1947, Israel will face the financial burden of maintaining a much larger standing military on active service - meanwhile, its private sector will find itself deprived of those contributions that much of the nation's most talented could have contributed during their mist productive years!

Whatever ?miral capital" Israel may have acquired as the result of thehttps://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/gaza-strip.israel/demographicsOctober 6th attack by HAMAS has been effectively "SQUANDERED" by the Netanyahu Administration to the point where even some former supporters are now supporting the creation of a new Palestinian state!

This also represents ultimate irony since the only rational for Netanyahu to allow HAMAS to govern Gaza was based on the premise that it would never co-operate with the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank to promote an independent Palestinian state!

https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/gaza-strip.israel/demographics