Action on Gabbard Evidence, Ex-Obama officials face federal grand jury probe into whether they promoted false Trump-Russia ties

Bradskii · Friday at 1:38 AM

Vambram said:
What you called a conspiracy, millions upon millions and millions of Americans know is truth.

How come people over your side of the political fence are so much more gullible? And that's a serious question. Do you know?

Which conspiracy theories do Americans believe? | YouGov

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childeye 2 · Friday at 4:33 AM

Vambram said:
Yet, despite the false narrative that Russia wanted Trump to win in 2016, President Trump proved that belief to be false as he was very tough against Putin and Russia in his first term as POTUS.

The above statement is a blank assertion. You provide no evidence supporting your claim.

However, Don junior has provided emails stating that Russia wanted Trump to win in 2016. Don jr. emails

Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

essentialsaltes · Friday at 9:42 AM

Vambram said:
He was pushing a conspiracy and stuff he knew was false in order to damage the duly elected President of the United States of America. In my book, that is treason.

Snort. Better get the firing squad ready for all the 'birthers' up to and including Donald Trump.

Vambram · Friday at 4:48 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Snort. Better get the firing squad ready for all the 'birthers' up to and including Donald Trump.

I'm not a "birther" and neither is the vast majority of MAGA.

Vambram · Friday at 4:50 PM

childeye 2 said:
The above statement is a blank assertion. You provide no evidence supporting your claim.

However, Don junior has provided emails stating that Russia wanted Trump to win in 2016. Don jr. emails

Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

The Director of National Intelligence, the FBI Director, and Senator Grassley have provided the documents about the deep state coup against President Trump.

Pommer · Friday at 9:47 PM

Vambram said:
The Director of National Intelligence, the FBI Director, and Senator Grassley have provided the documents about the deep state coup against President Trump.

Great, let’s see these documents.

childeye 2 · Friday at 10:15 PM

Vambram said:
The Director of National Intelligence, the FBI Director, and Senator Grassley have provided the documents about the deep state coup against President Trump.

You should post it.

Hans Blaster · Friday at 10:17 PM

childeye 2 said:
You should post it.

I think we already laughed at this "documentary proof".

childeye 2 · Friday at 10:20 PM

Hans Blaster said:
I think we already laughed at this "documentary proof".

Is it posted somewhere on this thread?

Hans Blaster · Friday at 10:51 PM

childeye 2 said:
Is it posted somewhere on this thread?

There are, what, a half-dozen threads on this distraction? I'm confident this "evidence" from Grassley et al. is at least in some PDF links, but probably explicitly copied into a post and it was as underwhelming as we expect. (Or maybe they have something new & compelling, but I shall not hold my breath.)

childeye 2 · Friday at 11:21 PM

Hans Blaster said:
There are, what, a half-dozen threads on this distraction? I'm confident this "evidence" from Grassley et al. is at least in some PDF links, but probably explicitly copied into a post and it was as underwhelming as we expect. (Or maybe they have something new & compelling, but I shall not hold my breath.)

I understand. I tend to discount anyone who makes blank assertions, particularly when presented as an insinuation. I don't entertain slander, but it's still polite to ask for some proof.

7thKeeper · 2025-08-16T00:07:31-0500

Vambram said:
I'm not a "birther" and neither is the vast majority of MAGA.

... Weeeeeell... That might have not been the case. Vast majority? A few polls from the 2010s had Republicans doubting his citizenship even up to around 70% (1), but a lot more in the 50s% (2), (3)

But even that doesn't matter, because your post didn't even address the point made!

Vambram said:
He was pushing a conspiracy and stuff he knew was false in order to damage the duly elected President of the United States of America. In my book, that is treason.

This is the post that the one you replied to addressed. According to YOUR logic, Trump is guilty of treason because he pushed conspiracies and stuff he knew was false about Obama, birtherism.
But funny that you ignored that and just went "but I'm not a birther!" instead of addressing the point about Trump.

Pommer · 2025-08-16T01:14:10-0500

7thKeeper said:
This is the post that the one you replied to addressed. According to YOUR logic, Trump is guilty of treason because he pushed conspiracies and stuff he knew was false about Obama, birtherism.
But funny that you ignored that and just went "but I'm not a birther!" instead of addressing the point about Trump.

Sleight-of-argument is an art form and one well evidenced here; this can turn into it’s own rabbit-hole and even money says it does.

Vambram · 2025-08-16T18:20:30-0500

7thKeeper said:
... Weeeeeell... That might have not been the case. Vast majority? A few polls from the 2010s had Republicans doubting his citizenship even up to around 70% (1), but a lot more in the 50s% (2), (3)

But even that doesn't matter, because your post didn't even address the point made!

This is the post that the one you replied to addressed. According to YOUR logic, Trump is guilty of treason because he pushed conspiracies and stuff he knew was false about Obama, birtherism.
But funny that you ignored that and just went "but I'm not a birther!" instead of addressing the point about Trump.

Trump wasn't in the government when he was talking about the Obama birther nonsense. Therefore, he didn't come close to committing treason, unlike Adam Schifft.

Pommer · 2025-08-16T18:34:40-0500

Vambram said:
Trump wasn't in the government when he was talking about the Obama birther nonsense. Therefore, he didn't come close to committing treason, unlike Adam Schifft.

Your considered opinion on what constitutes “treason” is a valid point of view, but carries no legal weight, so why don’t we drop this line of “reasoning”?

Bradskii · 2025-08-16T18:35:28-0500

Vambram said:
Trump wasn't in the government when he was talking about the Obama birther nonsense. Therefore, he didn't come close to committing treason...

I didn't know you had to be in the government to commit treason. The things you learn in this forum...

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-16T19:21:03-0500

Vambram said:
Trump wasn't in the government when he was talking about the Obama birther nonsense. Therefore, he didn't come close to committing treason, unlike Adam Schifft.

Dude, treason is an equal opportunity crime. Anybody can do it.

Herbert John Burgman (April 17, 1894 – December 16, 1953) was an American broadcaster of Nazi propaganda during World War II. He was convicted of treason in 1949

Vambram · 2025-08-16T21:58:37-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Dude, treason is an equal opportunity crime. Anybody can do it.

Herbert John Burgman (April 17, 1894 – December 16, 1953) was an American broadcaster of Nazi propaganda during World War II. He was convicted of treason in 1949

Mr. Burgman committed his acts of treason during a war. Big difference there, if you ask me.

Vambram · 2025-08-16T21:59:12-0500

Pommer said:
Your considered opinion on what constitutes “treason” is a valid point of view, but carries no legal weight, so why don’t we drop this line of “reasoning”?

That's fair. I shall await further to see what the DOJ and a grand jury decides.

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-16T22:08:01-0500

Vambram said:
Mr. Burgman committed his acts of treason during a war. Big difference there, if you ask me.

Treason is not Calvinball; you don't get to keep changing the rules. He was not an elected official. Nevertheless he was guilty of treason.

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