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Action on Gabbard Evidence, Ex-Obama officials face federal grand jury probe into whether they promoted false Trump-Russia ties

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Then you're at war with Canada. And Brazil. And India. Shall I go on with this list to emphasise your farcical 'argument'?
LoL, last time I looked, India, Brazil, and Canada are our allies.
 
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LoL, last time I looked, India, Brazil, and Canada are our allies.
But...you're in an economic and diplomatic conflict with them. Or, as you put it, war.

Now you're saying that a dispute about economics or diplomacy is not a war. Well, I'm glad that we agree that your situation with China and Russia does not constitute such. You have obviously come to realise that whoever told you that is an idiot.

Phew!
 
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But...you're in an economic and diplomatic conflict with them. Or, as you put it, war.

Now you're saying that a dispute about economics or diplomacy is not a war. Well, I'm glad that we agree that your situation with China and Russia does not constitute such. You have obviously come to realise that whoever told you that is an idiot.

Phew!
I disagree. But perhaps you might believe that the Chinese and Russian governments are our friends.
 
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I disagree. But perhaps you might believe that the Chinese and Russian governments are our friends.
You disagree that you have indicated by your posts that you are not at war? Because you are obviously not. Or maybe you don't agree that the person who told you that you are is an idiot. Who knows. That's up to you. But not being on friendly terms with another country does NOT mean that you are at war with them.
 
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I disagree. But perhaps you might believe that the Chinese and Russian governments are our friends.
International politics is the art of finding as much gray as possible.
Black & white thinking gets one nowhere.
 
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We are not at war with them is the point.
To me, the point is that the Chinese government and the Russian government are our enemies and Schifft conspired to help them with the very obviously false Russia collusion narrative against Trump that Schifft lied and promoted.
 
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When Schifft was pushing and promoting the clear lies and false allegations regarding Trump and Russian Collusion, he was stepping outside of the legislative sphere.
That’d be up to the DOJ to see if they’d like to bring such a case.
They didn’t in 2017, when this information first came to their attention, nor subsequently.

Why’s that, one wonders?
 
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That’d be up to the DOJ to see if they’d like to bring such a case.
They didn’t in 2017, when this information first came to their attention, nor subsequently.

Why’s that, one wonders?
Why? The answer is easily well known. The DOJ still had deep state actors working against President Trump.
 
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When Schifft was pushing and promoting the clear lies and false allegations regarding Trump and Russian Collusion, he was stepping outside of the legislative sphere.
Schiff's concern that Russia was helping Trump to win so that Putin could get a foreign policy favorable to Russia fits within the role of a ranking member of the intelligence committee. Schiff simply pointed to the facts below, which we all can see, to explain his basis for suspecting there was collusion.

I recall that Trump was reading hacked documents from the DNC during his campaign, and that Roger Stone, an associate of Trump, had indicated he had inside knowledge of what was going to be released through WikiLeaks.

Also, The Mueller report found that during the 2016 election, Paul Manafort was sending polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, who was known to have connections with Russian intelligence. In addition, three independent reports found that Russian operatives were extensively using social media platforms, posing as Americans to amplify propaganda meant to damage Hillary.

Trump openly spoke of changing US foreign policy concerning Ukraine and Crimea during his campaign. He can even be seen asking Russia to find Hillary's emails. After becoming President, he was seen in Helsinki conveying that he trusted Putin over American intelligence agencies.

The Trump campaign met with the Russians in June of 2016. Two months later when Don junior was asked what he thought about the suggestion that Russia had hacked the DNC to help Trump win, Don jr. scoffed, declaring it to be fabricated lies by the Hillary campaign. One year later we all saw Don junior admit that the Trump campaign had met with Russians to discuss obtaining dirt on Hillary. The emails to Don Junior were even made publicly available, which state that Russia wanted Trump to win. The Trump campaign knew that Russia wanted to help them win, yet they claimed it was a hoax.
 
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Schiff's concern that Russia was helping Trump to win so that Putin could get a foreign policy favorable to Russia fits within the role of a ranking member of the intelligence committee. Schiff simply pointed to the facts below, which we all can see, to explain his basis for suspecting there was collusion.

I recall that Trump was reading hacked documents from the DNC during his campaign, and that Roger Stone, an associate of Trump, had indicated he had inside knowledge of what was going to be released through WikiLeaks.

Also, The Mueller report found that during the 2016 election, Paul Manafort was sending polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, who was known to have connections with Russian intelligence. In addition, three independent reports found that Russian operatives were extensively using social media platforms, posing as Americans to amplify propaganda meant to damage Hillary.

Trump openly spoke of changing US foreign policy concerning Ukraine and Crimea during his campaign. He can even be seen asking Russia to find Hillary's emails. After becoming President, he was seen in Helsinki conveying that he trusted Putin over American intelligence agencies.

The Trump campaign met with the Russians in June of 2016. Two months later when Don junior was asked what he thought about the suggestion that Russia had hacked the DNC to help Trump win, Don jr. scoffed, declaring it to be fabricated lies by the Hillary campaign. One year later we all saw Don junior admit that the Trump campaign had met with Russians to discuss obtaining dirt on Hillary. The emails to Don Junior were even made publicly available, which state that Russia wanted Trump to win. The Trump campaign knew that Russia wanted to help them win, yet they claimed it was a hoax.
Yet, despite the false narrative that Russia wanted Trump to win in 2016, President Trump proved that belief to be false as he was very tough against Putin and Russia in his first term as POTUS.
 
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If true, lying while a politician is not a crime.
He was pushing a conspiracy and stuff he knew was false in order to damage the duly elected President of the United States of America. In my book, that is treason.
 
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What you called a conspiracy, millions upon millions and millions of Americans know is truth.
No, it's still a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Just because people fall for it doesn't lend credence to it.

Like I said, if you want to sprout "deep state" stuff, this forum has a conspiracy section.
 
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No, it's still a conspiracy theory and nothing more. Just because people fall for it doesn't lend credence to it.

Like I said, if you want to sprout "deep state" stuff, this forum has a conspiracy section.
It isn't a conspiracy and Gabbard as well as the FBI has provided the documents proving that.
 
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It isn't a conspiracy and Gabbard as well as the FBI has provided the documents proving that.
Politicking isn’t a crime.
Schiff was acting as a United States representative, he’s got immunity from prosecution by that fact.
 
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