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Survey reveals 47% of Republicans would still vote for Trump even if connected to Epstein's crimes

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For real? Crikey. That’s pretty grim.

Tennessee's age of consent is 18, but there is a "close-in-age exemption", or a "Romeo and Juliet law" to protect prosecution of underage couples who are 1) close in age and 2) engage in consensual sex.

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If you're referring to the E Jean Carrol...
Yeah. The woman he raped. That one.

I also have known for many years, via a forum and personal emails, another woman who was assaulted by Trump. Personal correspondence has convinced me that her claim is genuine. I don't expect anyone to accept that as any evidence for what Trump is likely to have done. But, really...knowing what the man has done and said over the years, exactly what does he need to do convince any reasonable person of his character?

No further discussion on this particular topic will be entertained. If you aren't convinced about what sort of man sits behind the Resolute desk by now then you will never be convinced. Nothing anyone would say is likely to change your mind.
 
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There is also the factor that Trump Christian supporters have a rather different idea about underage sex than the rest of us. For example, the age of consent in Tennessee is 13. The Epstein girls were said to be between 14 and 17, no biggie for a conservative Christian.
Up until 2013, in Vatican City it was 12. Go figure.


If Trump was found to have been 'involved' with Epstein then the ages we are quoting will be thrown out right, left and centre as an excuse by some of his supporters. I absolute guarantee that.
 
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No further discussion on this particular topic will be entertained. If you aren't convinced about what sort of man sits behind the Resolute desk by now then you will never be convinced. Nothing anyone would say is likely to change your mind.

I didn't vote for him, it's not me you need to convince.

Yeah. The woman he raped. That one.

Out of curiosity, has she gone after any of the other 20 men listed in her book...

Like the CEO of CBS, the Mafia Boss in Chicago, the head of the fur trapping company in Montana...or any of the others?

After all, she has rock solid evidence (in the form of two character witnesses who were her long time friends)



If you don't want to talk about it anymore that's fine...

But I'll just close with saying that "evidence" supporting the supposed Biden family influence peddling is stronger than the E Jean Carroll's "evidence" of supposedly being raped by various powerful men all over the world...but people obviously recognized that speculative he-said/she-said purely testimonial evidence isn't a particular strong evidentiary standard in that case.

If people want to have a selective standard on that, that's their prerogative.


But if you're wondering why it may be so hard to reach that 47% of the GOP base, the approach you've employed here explains it.

When the same group of people who meticulously demand "sources please", demand the high bar of peer reviewed studies, and demand multiple citations from a list of pre-approved sources when it comes to criticisms against their side/policies...

But then take a "the word of her and her two friends plus an unrelated excerpt from an Access Hollywood tape is good enough for me, he's a rapist, case closed, we'll discuss it no further... why do you support a rapist?"


To be blunt, from most of of the Trump supporters I've talked to about that case... Their perception is that a woman who's a radical feminist, is a bit "quirky" (hence her famously naming her pets things like "Fireball Vagina") , with a history of making these types of allegations (some of which are unbelievable), picked a convenient time to try to "release the hounds", and provided only her word and the word of her two longtime friends, and presented it in front of a stacked Manhattan court.

Let's be honest, if someone like Charlie Kirk said "Democrat XYZ is a sexual predator, if you don't believe me, well here's my two friends, Steven Crowder and Sean Hannity...they'll tell you that I told them about it right after I saw it... and in a civil case that was held in a South Texas district that's 7:1 republican, they were found liable -- you can read about it in my book that comes out in 3 weeks titled Pedo-libs" -- you wouldn't accept that for half a second. (nor should you)


People accepted and embraced a weak evidentiary standard because the target happened to be someone they didn't like, plain and simple.
 
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Tennessee's age of consent is 18, but there is a "close-in-age exemption", or a "Romeo and Juliet law" to protect prosecution of underage couples who are 1) close in age and 2) engage in consensual sex.

Makes sense....

It is kind of unfair that some 19 year old guys (who sleep with their 17 year old GF - and the parents get mad) get railroaded and end up on the sex offender registry with "Chester the Molester"

That actually happened to my mom's friend's son, but the motivations behind that one were racial.

He was a black guy (19), and was dating a 16 year old -- her parents didn't like it, and went after him and he had to stay on the registry for a few years... Ironically enough, that girl ended up going with a 21 year old guy (who was white) when she was 17 a year later, and her parents didn't feel "compelled" to go after that guy.
 
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Makes sense....

It is kind of unfair that some 19 year old guys (who sleep with their 17 year old GF - and the parents get mad) get railroaded and end up on the sex offender registry with "Chester the Molester"

Agreed. Without the so-called "Romeo and Juliet" exemptions, high schools would be full of statutory rapists.

In PA, the age of consent laws are:
  • Children less than 13 years old cannot grant consent to sexual activity.
  • Teens between the ages of 13 and 15 cannot consent to sexual activity with anyone who is four or more years older than them.
  • People ages 16 and older can legally consent to sexual activity with anyone they choose, as long as the other person does not have authority over them as defined in Pennsylvania’s institutional sexual assault statute.
This protects students that are sexually active with their boyfriend/girlfriend from being classified as sexual predators.
 
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Agreed. Without the so-called "Romeo and Juliet" exemptions, high schools would be full of statutory rapists.

In PA, the age of consent laws are:
  • Children less than 13 years old cannot grant consent to sexual activity.
  • Teens between the ages of 13 and 15 cannot consent to sexual activity with anyone who is four or more years older than them.
  • People ages 16 and older can legally consent to sexual activity with anyone they choose, as long as the other person does not have authority over them as defined in Pennsylvania’s institutional sexual assault statute.
This protects students that are sexually active with their boyfriend/girlfriend from being classified as sexual predators.


Yeah, rigid "age of consent" laws create some problems.

When I was in HS, my GF at the time was about 10 months older than me.

I'll spare everyone the graphic details, but sufficed to say, she reached the legal age of adulthood (18) before I did.

Were we supposed to stop certain activities for 10 months until I officially turned 18 out of fear that she would've been labelled a "predator"?

Truth be told, both of us were too young to taking those sorts of risks anyway, but that aside....
 
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Yeah, rigid "age of consent" laws create some problems.

When I was in HS, my GF at the time was about 10 months older than me.

I'll spare everyone the graphic details, but sufficed to say, she reached the legal age of adulthood (18) before I did.

Were we supposed to stop certain activities for 10 months until I officially turned 18 out of fear that she would've been labelled a "predator"?

Truth be told, both of us were too young to taking those sorts of risks anyway, but that aside....

My wife and I got married one month after she graduated high school, which was also two days after her 19th birthday. I was 21. Both sets of our parents had to talk to the hotel for us to book a room for our wedding night.

Age of consent laws are important, but exemptions are important for these reasons. Otherwise, I also could have been labeled a "predator", even though we've been happily married for over 26 years now.
 
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