Trump Threatens Federal Takeover of Washington After Member of DOGE Is Assaulted

ozso · 2025-08-13T02:00:04-0500

Pommer said:
It used to be that everything that wasn’t made “illegal“ by the rule-of-law, was assumed to be lawful.
Not having a place to live is not a crime.

Vagrancy has pretty much always been a crime in the US. In Washington DC no vagrancy laws go back to when it was founded. What's happed over time is law enforcement has steadily decreased.

Vagrancy laws, which have roots in 16th-century England, were brought to the New World by colonists and subsequently spread throughout the British colonies, including the area that would become Washington D.C. These laws criminalized various conditions such as being poor, idle, dissolute, immoral, drunk, lewd, or suspicious.

California's Anti-Vagrancy Act of 1855, also known as the Greaser Act, legalized the arrest and punishment of those deemed vagrants.

7thKeeper · 2025-08-13T02:29:18-0500

Pommer said:
Riding The Crazytown rollercoaster once takes no courage: riding it a second time does.
We’re a courageous people, and aren’t afraid of a bit o’ mayhem in our politics!

We’ll be okay, watch as we loop-de-loop!

*Insert Family Guy single loop rollercoaster joke here*

rjs330 · 2025-08-13T03:43:33-0500

The Barbarian said:
Nope. It's not even in the top 15. And the homicide rate in D.C. has been falling for decades. Would you like me to show you again?

Nope,

The homicide rate in 2024 was 27.3, according to the Center for Public Safety Initiatives at Rochester Institute of Technology. While a big drop from the 2023 spike, it still ranked fourth-worst in the country.

Would you like me to tell you again?

Let's wait for 2025 to be over before we start crowing about DC. Maybe with federal takeover it will fet even better huh?

rjs330 · 2025-08-13T03:45:37-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
I’d like to see Trump try a federal takeover of one of these dangerous red state cities. For some reason he doesn’t seem to pick on them too much.

He cant take over the cities. He can take over DC. At least for a short time unless Congress authorizes it.

DaisyDay · 2025-08-13T07:02:07-0500

rjs330 said:
Nope,

The homicide rate in 2024 was 27.3, according to the Center for Public Safety Initiatives at Rochester Institute of Technology. While a big drop from the 2023 spike, it still ranked fourth-worst in the country.

Would you like me to tell you again?

Let's wait for 2025 to be over before we start crowing about DC. Maybe with federal takeover it will fet even better huh?

How is a falling crime rate an emergency? When it distracts from falling job numbers.

wing2000 · 2025-08-13T07:51:44-0500

ozso said:
There's no statute of freedom that enables lawlessness.

On Jan. 6, 2021, a pro-Trump mob committed a month’s worth of crime in the span of about three hours.

The F.B.I. has estimated that around 2,000 people took part in criminal acts that day, and more than 600 people were charged with assaulting, resisting or interfering with the police. (Citywide, Washington currently averages about 70 crimes a day.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/us/politics/trump-jan-6-dc-crime.html

The Barbarian · 2025-08-13T08:36:26-0500

rjs330 said:
The homicide rate in 2024 was 27.3, according to the Center for Public Safety Initiatives at Rochester Institute of Technology.

I'll go with the DOJ figures. Sorry about your private "initiatives."

DaisyDay said:
How is a falling crime rate an emergency?

Have you seen the polls on Trump and Epstein lately? He needs some diversionary cover. And "Its all Obama's fault" isn't getting any traction.

The Economist/YouGov survey found 68% of respondents said they believe the government is covering up evidence it has about Epstein, while 60% disapprove of the Trump administration’s handling of the controversy—which stems from the Justice Department’s decision announced last month that it would not release additional details of its probe into Epstein.

Trump Approval Rating Down 2 Points From Last Week

The latest survey, released Aug. 8, found 41% approve of his job performance.

www.forbes.com

That certainly qualifies as an emergency.

The number of criminals in D.C. increased slightly in 2024, as Trump moved into the WH.

The Barbarian · 2025-08-13T08:48:42-0500

DaisyDay said:
How is a falling crime rate an emergency? When it distracts from falling job numbers.

Today's winner.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-08-13T08:50:53-0500

The Barbarian said:
Nope. It's not even in the top 15. And the homicide rate in D.C. has been falling for decades. Would you like me to show you again?

Pretty much any urban area made a state would have the highest homicide rate of any state in the United States. It's just that many U.S. cities have a higher homicide rate than Washington D.C.

Something seems off with those numbers - not sure where they're getting the 17/100k from. There were 186 homicides in DC last year (which the article accurately reports), which would require a population of about 1.1 million to create the reported homicide rate. The actual population of DC was 702k in 2024 per the US Census Bureau, which works out to a homicide rate of 26.5/100k.

That said, @rjs330 is wrong too - the paper he's citing undercounts the DC population by about 20k (they sourced from World Population Review, which separates DC the city from the entire District of Columbia) but, more importantly, they just covered a selection of 24 cities. No clear rationale for how those 24 cities were selected was provided. Washington DC ranks 4th among those 24 cities, but that is not the same as ranking 4th in the country. DC was 4th in the country in 2023, but that was when their murder rate spiked to 36/100k. I'm not sure that there's comprehensive nationwide data available yet for 2024; I can't find any official sources as of now.

ozso · 2025-08-13T09:00:33-0500

wing2000 said:
On Jan. 6, 2021, a pro-Trump mob committed a month’s worth of crime in the span of about three hours.

The F.B.I. has estimated that around 2,000 people took part in criminal acts that day, and more than 600 people were charged with assaulting, resisting or interfering with the police. (Citywide, Washington currently averages about 70 crimes a day.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/12/us/politics/trump-jan-6-dc-crime.html

What does that have to do with what I said?

The Barbarian · 2025-08-13T09:23:45-0500

ozso said:
What does that have to do with what I said?

Violent crime went up in 2020; the criminals involved admitted freely that they were actin on Trump's orders. If Trump wants to keep criminals out of D.C., he should stop inciting insurrections, and move out of the WH.

The Barbarian · 2025-08-13T09:26:57-0500

ozso · 2025-08-13T09:30:56-0500

The Barbarian said:
Violent crime went up in 2020; the criminals involved admitted freely that they were actin on Trump's orders. If Trump wants to keep criminals out of D.C., he should stop inciting insurrections, and move out of the WH.

What Trump said Jan 5th.

ozso · 2025-08-13T09:37:46-0500

For whatever reason, the left in general is obviously against law enforcement. Apparently still hanging onto the defund the police mentality.

Clare73 · 2025-08-13T10:50:07-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
An American with a first amendment right. . .

. . .wasting his time opposing the Constitution.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-08-13T11:05:33-0500

Clare73 said:
. . .wasting his time opposing the Constitution.

That’s their right. Do you have a problem with it?

Clare73 · 2025-08-13T11:45:40-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s their right. Do you have a problem with it?

No more than you do. . .

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-08-13T12:11:22-0500

Clare73 said:
No more than you do. . .

What an odd reply.

rambot · 2025-08-13T12:46:09-0500

Clare73 said:
So what crime rate do you find acceptable?

Why do I have to find a crime rate "acceptable"?

Why are you okay with a Biden level amount of dillusion throwing your security forces and pretend it's normal or needed?

Besides people are eating babies In Houston and Trump isn't doing Anything about that. Why isn't he sending the army there?

rambot · 2025-08-13T12:51:22-0500

Clare73 said:
And yet he was elected president.

Damnable comment about thr American electorate if we are to believe it was an honest election.

Clare73 said:
That tells you the significance of it all. . .

Just don't be betray reality and deny it.

Throw your arms to the sky and mightily state "I voted for a criminal Because even though he's a criminal he's really smart and totally honest and I ABSOLUTELY would want my daughter to be alone in a room with him".

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