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Gaza: In the face of horror, we cannot look away.
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In today's world there really isnt any independent journalists. Journalists of all types have proven their bias and pedjudice to push a certain narrative. I 6hink that Journalists should be sent in as teams. One left leaning and one right leaning. Then they have to report together on the same thing. If they are going to report on aid stations they have to be there together and both report on it. We might actually get some balanced reporting that way.
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That didn't answer the question. Why accept those that run Israeli propaganda? Aren't they just as suspect as any other?
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This is possibly one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard of. What will be used to determine who is "left" and who is "right"? Who will make that decision? How will you account for the fact that different countries define "left" and "right" differently? You don't need to force perspectives on each story. If it's worth covering, then journalists will cover it on all aspects of the political spectrum. That's what journalists do.
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You mean you cant tell? Let's see, is Meagan Kelly left or right? John Solomon?
No we dont need to force perspectives, but we most certainly do know that leftist perspectives are the norm for the majority of journalists. And there are those like the Times who stage things in order to propagate the story they want to tell. Or maybe CBS. How about Fox News?
I have an idea, why not just allow Fox News in there? Would that be okay?
And NO that is NOT what journalists do anymore. The majority of them cover things from a leftist perspective.
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You're coming at this from a purely American perspective. This is not a purely American issue. Sure, a lot of US-based media figures are easy to place in boxes for us Americans, because they tend to conform to the American political spectrum. But that doesn't really apply to non-Americans.
As an example, Ben Shapiro accused the BBC's Andrew Neil of being "on the left" in an interview. But if you ask any Brit, they'd tell you that Neil is a staunch conservative.
What do you think "independent journalist" means?
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Your post is a prime example of journalists being primarily leftist. And report from a leftist point of view. These countries are leftist countries. Thats why anyone there would consider any journalist that is not wildly left a conservative.
He probably is more conservative compared to all the others.
An independent journalists could also be labeled as a leftist journalist who is independent. Which would fit 90% of them.
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How?
So what? Again, the world does not revolve around the US or your point of view. You proposed a policy for reporting on an international issue by the international community. Why should international journalists be evaluated by your own personal standards?
Tautology does not make a definition.
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Yes, I'm a Brit and I would not consider Andrew Neil as a leftist.
I think that the BBC is a bit biased to the left (but I've heard others say otherwise). However, I tend to trust the news reports which people, including Lyse Doucet and Jeremy Bowen, bring us from conflict zones, including the Middle East. Although I'm no great fan of the BBC, on some issues, I trust these journalists, and their teams. who have been incredibly brave in reporting from dangerous places. Maybe, I'm naive. (I'm 74, so it's not youthful naivety though! Lol!)
I think that the USA is the furthest right of all the western democracies, so we would seem like leftist countries.
To be honest we don't really use that term in Britain. I have no idea how anyone else votes (apart from one relative) and didn't know how I was going to vote, in the last election, until the day before. At the moment our parties seem central anyway. Also our MPs have free votes on moral issues, so those issues are not tied to party politics. These left/right identities do seem to be mainly within the USA. I don't notice them so much in other countries, although you may get politians towards the extremes: Nigel Farage here, Marine Le Pen in France, etc.
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I am quite uncertain what what your meaning is for “leftist journalist”, could you write a quick synopsis of how an event would be covered by a “leftist journalist” and a regular, middle of the road (or even a “conservative journalist” if you’d prefer).
(Or show us stories from the left and center and right?)
Thanks.
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The Right is ginning up the “Law and Order” (or else) machine. The clarion of conformity is right (ahem) around the corner; then the purity tests can begin in earnest!
We (Americans, USAians) so imbued with this left/right spectrum that we can hardly see how little sense it makes right now to continue to apply it.
We’re headed for a clash between authoritarians and small “L” libertarians.
People will find themselves in protests alongside (until recently) former political foes.
Some will recoil back into their “comfort camp” but a significant portion will greet their new friends with genuine appreciation and respect.
It’ll be a fun ride!
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I explained it.
I dont care. If we are going for accuracy and fairness you have to consider rhe point of view of the journalists. Are they left or right?
Because I am right.
Then why bring up independent journalists?
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Its because you are. If one was to take a look at socialist policies, which are leftist, the Europeans are staunchly in that camp. So its not based on what something seems like its based upon actual policies and laws and belief systems. Some are further left than others.
Thats because they have succumbed to leftist ideologies and have been there for sometime. One looses sight of where they are if they are and have been living and raised in it. Its the Ole put a frog in water and slowly turn up the heat. The frog will have no idea that its cooking because they get used to it.
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No, you didn't.
Unless you can make this determination objectively, and in a way that is consistent internationally, the distinction is meaningless.
Wow. The arrogance.
Because it's becoming apparent that you don't actually know what a independent journalist is. An independent journalist is a journalist that works outside of any corporate media company and operates under a clear code of ethics. Megyn Kelly and John Solomon are not independent journalists - they work for Fox and the Washington Times. Neither is Anderson Cooper - he works for CNN.
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Thats not happening.
I think we are already clashing between ideological groups. The right is NOT authoritarian. The left has become authoritarian. Asking people to obey laws that have been duly passed and had passed muster of the supreme court is certainly not authoritarian in the least. Neither is wanting to make our streets safer so a dude doesn't have to tey and protect a female on our streets and then get beaten to a pulp for it.
Authoritarianism has been coming from the left in the last 14 years or so. They are rhe ones who have used power to exert control over people's words and livelihoods. "You will comply" has been the lefts mantra.
The right isnt creating new laws that force anyone to do anything. We are just working to get rhe ones on the books and have been there for many decades enforced.
The right is looking for freedom from the tyranny of left who let thugs roam the streets, harassing and beating, good law abiding people.
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Israel's military pounded Gaza City on Wednesday prior to a planned takeover, with another 123 people killed in the last day according to the Gaza health ministry, while militant group Hamas held further talks with Egyptian mediators.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated an idea - also enthusiastically floated by U.S. President Donald Trump - that Palestinians should simply leave. "They’re not being pushed out, they’ll be allowed to exit," he told Israeli television channel i24NEWS.
Eight more people, including three children, have died of starvation and malnutrition in Gaza in the past 24 hours, the territory's health ministry said. That took the total to 235, including 106 children, since the war began.
The Israeli military on Wednesday said that nearly 320 trucks entered Gaza through the Kerem Shalom and Zikim crossings and that a further nearly 320 trucks were collected and distributed by the U.N. and international organizations in the past 24 hours along with three tankers of fuel and 97 pallets of air-dropped aid. But the U.N. and Palestinians say aid remains far from sufficient.
Hamas says it is ready to quit Gaza governance for a non-partisan technocratic entity agreed by all Palestinian parties.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated an idea - also enthusiastically floated by U.S. President Donald Trump - that Palestinians should simply leave. "They’re not being pushed out, they’ll be allowed to exit," he told Israeli television channel i24NEWS.
Eight more people, including three children, have died of starvation and malnutrition in Gaza in the past 24 hours, the territory's health ministry said. That took the total to 235, including 106 children, since the war began.
The Israeli military on Wednesday said that nearly 320 trucks entered Gaza through the Kerem Shalom and Zikim crossings and that a further nearly 320 trucks were collected and distributed by the U.N. and international organizations in the past 24 hours along with three tankers of fuel and 97 pallets of air-dropped aid. But the U.N. and Palestinians say aid remains far from sufficient.
Hamas says it is ready to quit Gaza governance for a non-partisan technocratic entity agreed by all Palestinian parties.
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When the government pushes the boundaries of those laws and applies them in new and novel ways in order to restrict the freedoms of the country's citizens and residents, that's authoritarian. The current iteration of the Supreme Court sanctioning the actions doesn't really change that.
It certainly can be - depends on how you do it. Again, going over the head of local/state government via unilateral action by the chief executive? That's authoritarian.
Authoritarianism isn't simply "the government telling individuals what they can and cannot say/do." It's an entire system of governance, in which power is concentrated in the hands of an individual or a small group of people. The concentration of power in the Executive branch represents a shift towards authoritarianism. In the interest of fairness, Trump didn't start it - it's been a process going back decades - but he's taking it to new lengths, and he's enabled by Congress and the Supreme Court not acting as checks on his expansion of powers.
I see the Trump administration doing exactly this at the moment, so your accusation rings a bit hollow.
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