Action on Gabbard Evidence, Ex-Obama officials face federal grand jury probe into whether they promoted false Trump-Russia ties

essentialsaltes · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Actually, that’s NOT the definition of treason. The definition of treason is, according to the Oxford dictionary...

The Constitution provides the definitive definition of treason that would be relevant.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

A New Dawn · Aug 5, 2025

comana said:
The only relevant definition is found in the Constitution and US code 18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Allegations agains Obama do not meet requirements for treason In US law.

Then I guess it depends on your definition of “levies war against them” (since everything after the “or” doesn’t pertain). If trying to overthrow the Constitution could be considered “levying war against them”, it could be. I guess that will be for the courts to decide.

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Then I guess it depends on your definition of “levies war against them” (since everything after the “or” doesn’t pertain). If trying to overthrow the Constitution could be considered “levying war against them”, it could be. I guess that will be for the courts to decide.

Sure. Investigating Russian meddling in our elections amounts to treason.

Denying the results of an election and throwing a months long fit and media campaign that culminated in a riot at the Capitol that delayed the democratic process - perfectly fine.

A New Dawn · Aug 5, 2025

Belk said:
I do not find this claim in any way credible. The idea that Biden "weaponized the government" but only went after one person? Come on.

Biden didn’t only go after one person. Have you not watched the news for the last 4+ years?

Biden went after a pro-life protestor for praying silently on the street.
Biden went after PTA parents for speaking out at school board meetings against the liberal agenda being imposed in schools (labeling them terrorists for “threatening” to vote them out of office).
Biden went after social media (like FB, Twitter, etc.) demanding they censor the conservative voices speaking out about the handling of COVID, and anyone else who disagreed with their handling of issues that put draconian restrictions on the citizens of this country.
Biden went after social media demanding they censor any story related to Hunter Biden’s laptop, effectively interfering with the election (as MANY said they would have voted differently had they know the laptop story was real.)

Belk · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Biden didn’t only go after one person. Have you not watched the news for the last 4+ years?

Good lord no. Why on earth would I do something so counter to my peace of mind?

A New Dawn said:
Biden went after a pro-life protestor for praying silently on the street.
Biden went after PTA parents for speaking out at school board meetings against the liberal agenda being imposed in schools (labeling them terrorists for “threatening” to vote them out of office).
Biden went after social media (like FB, Twitter, etc.) demanding they censor the conservative voices speaking out about the handling of COVID, and anyone else who disagreed with their handling of issues that put draconian restrictions on the citizens of this country.
Biden went after social media demanding they censor any story related to Hunter Biden’s laptop, effectively interfering with the election (as MANY said they would have voted differently had they know the laptop story was real.)

Conspiracy forum is that a way ------>

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Biden didn’t only go after one person. Have you not watched the news for the last 4+ years?

Biden went after a pro-life protestor for praying silently on the street.
Biden went after PTA parents for speaking out at school board meetings against the liberal agenda being imposed in schools (labeling them terrorists for “threatening” to vote them out of office).
Biden went after social media (like FB, Twitter, etc.) demanding they censor the conservative voices speaking out about the handling of COVID, and anyone else who disagreed with their handling of issues that put draconian restrictions on the citizens of this country.
Biden went after social media demanding they censor any story related to Hunter Biden’s laptop, effectively interfering with the election (as MANY said they would have voted differently had they know the laptop story was real.)

Amazing he could do all this while struggling with dementia.

BCP1928 · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Then I guess it depends on your definition of “levies war against them” (since everything after the “or” doesn’t pertain). If trying to overthrow the Constitution could be considered “levying war against them”, it could be. I guess that will be for the courts to decide.

What attempts were made to overthrow the Constitution?

A New Dawn · Aug 5, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Sure. Investigating Russian meddling in our elections amounts to treason.

Denying the results of an election and throwing a months long fit and media campaign that culminated in a riot at the Capitol that delayed the democratic process - perfectly fine.

There wasn’t any significant Russian meddling. There certainly wasn’t any collusion with Trump, and the investigation showed as much. But Obama wanted Trump out of the running so he ordered the FBI to create fake evidence to show he was. And conveniently, added to it was a story entirely made up by Hillary to take the focus off her illegal, hacked home server.

The real Russian meddling investigation showed, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the small amount of meddling they did amounted to nothing big enough to sway an election. They didn’t even do it to sway the election, but to create conflict amongst us. They certainly succeeded at that.

A New Dawn · Aug 5, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Amazing he could do all this while struggling with dementia.

Yeah, we all know the shadow government behind Biden and the autopen did it all, but it will be Biden who gets blamed for it.

A New Dawn · Aug 5, 2025

BCP1928 said:
What attempts were made to overthrow the Constitution?

It’s been nice chatting with you all. Talk to you after the grand jury convenes.

DaisyDay · Aug 5, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Actually, that’s NOT the definition of treason. The definition of treason is, according to the Oxford dictionary, the act of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign (leader) or overthrow the government.

Or, according to Merriam-Webster:

Definition of TREASON

the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family; the betrayal of a trust : treachery… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Or according to dictionary.com

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

It has only been used once in our history, and that was during wartime, but its use is not limited to wartime according to the definition.

Try a legal dictionary (as opposed to a common one):

treason

Definition of treason in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

treason
n. the crime of betraying one's country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U. S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security. Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department. Treason may include "espionage" (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly involved in security) but is separate and worse than "sedition" which involves a conspiracy to upset the operation of the government. (See: sedition, espionage)

BCP1928 · Aug 5, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Try a legal dictionary (as opposed to a common one):

treason

Definition of treason in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

treason
n. the crime of betraying one's country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U. S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security. Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department. Treason may include "espionage" (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly involved in security) but is separate and worse than "sedition" which involves a conspiracy to upset the operation of the government. (See: sedition, espionage)

That's not a complete definition. You left out the part about making Trump look bad.

DaisyDay · Aug 5, 2025

BCP1928 said:
That's not a complete definition. You left out the part about making Trump look bad.

Sorry - my bad.

GoldenBoy89 · Aug 5, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Try a legal dictionary (as opposed to a common one):

treason

Definition of treason in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

treason
n. the crime of betraying one's country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U. S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security. Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department. Treason may include "espionage" (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly involved in security) but is separate and worse than "sedition" which involves a conspiracy to upset the operation of the government. (See: sedition, espionage)

BCP1928 said:
That's not a complete definition. You left out the part about making Trump look bad.

You’re both forgetting the part where treason is especially bad when the alleged traitor has a foreign sounding name.

DaisyDay · Aug 5, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
You’re both forgetting the part where treason is especially bad when the alleged traitor has a foreign sounding name.

No, I didn't forget that - it goes without saying.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Aug 5, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
It appears dems all of a sudden don't like witch hunts when the shoe is on the other foot.

I personally don't care about them looking into the Obama and Hillary. I care about the waisted money, that tax payers have to pay. Because Trump is trying to hide, what's he planing on doing in the government. I personally don't care about Trump or Bills involvement in the Epstein trafficked victims. Since they won't be punished at all. But in saying that. It was Trump that promised to release the Epstein client list. And then his team claimed , that their wasn't a list. I just see Trump distracting us from the Epstein case and any illegal thing, that he does against our country.

Oompa Loompa · Aug 5, 2025

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
I personally don't care about them looking into the Obama and Hillary. I care about the waisted money, that tax payers have to pay. Because Trump is trying to hide, what's he planing on doing in the government. I personally don't care about Trump or Bills involvement in the Epstein trafficked victims. Since they won't be punished at all. But in saying that. It was Trump that promised to release the Epstein client list. And then his team claimed , that their wasn't a list. I just see Trump distracting us from the Epstein case and any illegal thing, that he does against our country.

If you want to talk about the Epstine case, may I refer you to this video.

Bradskii · Aug 5, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
I dont know.

I do.

ThatRobGuy · Aug 6, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
An a plurality of people want to end world hunger. But that doesnt mean the world stops moving and we need to shut down all other discussions because kids are starving in Africa. The world does not revolve around Epstine and I guarantee this will be old news in less than a year. Now, do you have anything to say about the op topic?

I already did share a thought on it...

They're drudging up something that's even older than the Epstein story because they think there's still political points to be gained by going after people in the Obama circle.

Plus, it's never a great look when an administration says "we're going to conduct an in-depth investigation" when they've already claimed to know the answer. That's signaling that they're basically going to handpick the things that support their pre-drawn conclusion, while ignoring the things that don't.

"I assert that XYZ is true.... not we're going to do an investigation into whether or not XYZ is true"

It's very clear that they're going to use time and resources, not for the true spirit of justice, but simply to try make a case of "see I told you so" for purposes of public perception surrounding Trump's 2016 election victory.

What are they expecting to be the take-away or goal of the investigation. Being able to present something to the public that says "So see, 2 elections ago when Trump won, it wasn't because of Russian interference, it was just because he really was more popular than Hillary"? Are they thinking that's going to change anyone's minds from the other team?

So, as far as my actual thoughts -- more succinctly, they can be summarized by saying, this seems like it's less about "justice", and more like a vanity project for Trump due to the fact that his ego seems to still be bruised by the fact that some people think he didn't win in 2016 purely on his own merits.

Vambram · Monday at 10:42 PM

Democratic whistleblower told FBI that Adam Schiff approved classified leaks to target Trump

A Democratic whistleblower told the FBI that Adam Schiff approved leaking classified information to discredit Donald Trump, according to newly-released documents.

www.foxnews.com

If these allegations by this Whistleblower are true, then Adam Schiff has committed treason.

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