What is Trump doing in Washington? Isn't crime at 30 year low?

eclipsenow · Monday at 9:13 PM

I just listened to the BBC World News - and they just said "Facts don't matter here - it's about rhetoric."
Whatever and where-ever his mood takes him.

"It's becoming a situation of complete and total lawlessness," he told reporters at the White House.

The city's Mayor Muriel Bowser has rejected the president's claims about crime, and while there was a spike in 2023, statistics show it has fallen since then. Violent crime in the city is also at a 30-year low.

Trump deploys National Guard to Washington DC and pledges crime crackdown

The president also takes control of the city's police force, as the mayor rejects his claims of a crime wave.

www.bbc.com

The way he just whips drama up and presents his 'alternative facts' for the nation to swallow is so consistent with NPD!

Always in His Presence · Monday at 9:16 PM

No - crime is rampant

probinson · Monday at 9:23 PM

From ChatGPT (emphasis mine):

If Washington, D.C. were considered a state, it would rank #1 in violent crime rate among all U.S. states. In 2023, D.C.'s violent crime rate was approximately 1,151 per 100,000 residents, significantly higher than New Mexico (#2 at 749.3), Alaska (#3 at 726.3), and all other states Beautify Data USAFacts.

To give you context, the next highest rates among states were:

New Mexico: ~749 per 100,000
Alaska: ~726 per 100,000
Tennessee: ~628 per 100,000
Others trailing behind Beautify Data.

So, ranking-wise, D.C. would top the list—making it the "most violent" if it were a state, based purely on FBI-reported violent crime rates.

Here’s how Washington, D.C. compares to U.S. states in terms of homicide rate:

D.C. Homicide Rate (2023)

2023 homicide rate: approximately 39–41 homicides per 100,000 residents.

One source reports 39 per 100,000USAFacts.

Another indicates 40.9 per 100,000The Heritage Foundation.
Ranking: This would place D.C. 4th highest among U.S. states, behind only:

New Orleans (53.8 per 100K)

St. Louis (53.7 per 100K)

Detroit (40.9 per 100K)The Heritage Foundation.

National Comparison

U.S. average homicide rate (2023): approximately 5.9 per 100,000Bureau of Justice Statistics.
D.C.’s rate (~39–41) is thus roughly 7 to 7 times higher than the national average.

To. be clear, I don't support the deployment of the National Guard in Washington DC, but the mayor pretending like everything is peachy-keen in DC is demonstrably false.

JosephZ · Monday at 9:44 PM

probinson said:
From ChatGPT (emphasis mine):

If Washington, D.C. were considered a state, it would rank #1 in violent crime rate among all U.S. states. In 2023, D.C.'s violent crime rate was approximately 1,151 per 100,000 residents, significantly higher than New Mexico (#2 at 749.3), Alaska (#3 at 726.3), and all other states Beautify Data USAFacts.

That's from 2023. The violent crime rate in D.C. is 228 per 100,000 residents for the year to date.

probinson said:
D.C. Homicide Rate (2023)

2023 homicide rate: approximately 39–41 homicides per 100,000 residents.

One source reports 39 per 100,000USAFacts.

Another indicates 40.9 per 100,000The Heritage Foundation.

Ranking: This would place D.C. 4th highest among U.S. states, behind only:

New Orleans (53.8 per 100K)

St. Louis (53.7 per 100K)

Detroit (40.9 per 100K)The Heritage Foundation.

The homicide rate is down to 14.3 per 100,000 residents for the year to date.

eclipsenow · Monday at 9:56 PM

probinson said:
From ChatGPT (emphasis mine):

If Washington, D.C. were considered a state, it would rank #1 in violent crime rate among all U.S. states. In 2023, D.C.'s violent crime rate was approximately 1,151 per 100,000 residents, significantly higher than New Mexico (#2 at 749.3), Alaska (#3 at 726.3), and all other states Beautify Data USAFacts.

To give you context, the next highest rates among states were:

New Mexico: ~749 per 100,000

Alaska: ~726 per 100,000

Tennessee: ~628 per 100,000

Others trailing behind Beautify Data.

So, ranking-wise, D.C. would top the list—making it the "most violent" if it were a state, based purely on FBI-reported violent crime rates.

Here’s how Washington, D.C. compares to U.S. states in terms of homicide rate:

D.C. Homicide Rate (2023)

2023 homicide rate: approximately 39–41 homicides per 100,000 residents.

One source reports 39 per 100,000USAFacts.

Another indicates 40.9 per 100,000The Heritage Foundation.

Ranking: This would place D.C. 4th highest among U.S. states, behind only:

New Orleans (53.8 per 100K)

St. Louis (53.7 per 100K)

Detroit (40.9 per 100K)The Heritage Foundation.

National Comparison

U.S. average homicide rate (2023): approximately 5.9 per 100,000Bureau of Justice Statistics.

D.C.’s rate (~39–41) is thus roughly 7 to 7 times higher than the national average.

To. be clear, I don't support the deployment of the National Guard in Washington DC, but the mayor pretending like everything is peachy-keen in DC is demonstrably false.

I also asked ChatGPT - and but I asked why and got it to compare to the crime rate now. Did you do that? Did you check why the rates escalated - and then what happened under Biden's watch to already manage this?

Trump is just using this to have another 'military parade' and distract from Epstein.
Anything but Epstein!

Over to ChatGPT.

The Crime Spike of 2023: What Happened?

A dramatic surge: From 2022 to 2023, violent crime in DC jumped by over 33%, according to MPD data (2,021 incidents in 2022 vs. 2,689 in 2023) Check Your Fact. Nationwide, DC had the largest spike in violent crime among similarly sized cities WUSA9.
Homicide statistics: There were 274 murders in 2023—the highest since 1997—marking a 35% increase over the prior year Axios issues4life.org.
Drivers behind the increase:
- Juvenile involvement: A large portion of 2023's surge, especially in carjackings, was attributed to youth offenders. TikTok and other social media platforms were noted for sharing tactics, influencing the surge in juvenile-perpetrated vehicle thefts Deseret News CU Blog Service.
- Institutional complexities: DC's status as a federal district creates overlapping jurisdictions and complicated prosecution structures—law enforcement challenges that may have reduced the deterrent effect of legal consequences Vox.
- Socioeconomic inequality and gentrification: Academics have linked rising violent crime—especially homicides—to inequality in gentrifying neighborhoods. Flashpoints arise where long-standing communities face displacement amid economic disparities dc.localnews.com Al Jazeera.

What’s Changed Since Then?

Violent crime dropped 35% in 2024, reaching the lowest level in over 30 years, according to MPD and the U.S. Attorney's Office Department of Justice+1 The Washington Informer.
Homicides fell 32% in 2024, from 274 to around 187, followed by another estimated 12% decline in 2025, with about 99 homicides as of early August Newsweek KTVZ.
First half of 2025 data: Compared to the same period in 2024, violent crime continued to decline:
- Robberies down 26%
- Sex abuse cases nearly 50% lower
- Overall violent crime down approximately 7% WJLA.
2025 year-to-date comparisons show a roughly 26% reduction in violent crime, with a 7% overall crime drop relative to 2024 Reuters+1 AP News.

Why the Big Drop?

Several factors likely contributed:

Targeted policing strategies: Efforts like Project Safe Neighborhoods, enhanced prosecutions, and focused deterrence tactics helped disrupt criminal networks The Washington Informer Department of Justice.
Increased federal and local collaboration: The Justice Department invested more resources—FBI, ATF, DEA, and U.S. Attorneys ramped up prosecution of gun and carjacking crimes Axios.
Policy responses gaining traction: Emergency legislation granting greater authority to law enforcement, alongside ongoing public safety bills by the city council, provided new tools to address violent crime Vox.
Shift in offender deterrence: Improved certainty of arrest and prosecution—as opposed to heavier sentencing—likely played a crucial role Vox.
Addressing youth involvement: Early efforts to curb juvenile-related crimes like carjacking may have helped slow that particular segment of crime substantially Deseret News.

Fantine · Monday at 10:38 PM

And if you asked ChatGPT whether it is wise to let a felon.take over a police force?
Isn't that what's called "organized" crime?

JSRG · Monday at 10:45 PM

probinson said:
From ChatGPT (emphasis mine):

If Washington, D.C. were considered a state, it would rank #1 in violent crime rate among all U.S. states. In 2023, D.C.'s violent crime rate was approximately 1,151 per 100,000 residents, significantly higher than New Mexico (#2 at 749.3), Alaska (#3 at 726.3), and all other states Beautify Data USAFacts.

To give you context, the next highest rates among states were:

New Mexico: ~749 per 100,000

Alaska: ~726 per 100,000

Tennessee: ~628 per 100,000

Others trailing behind Beautify Data.

So, ranking-wise, D.C. would top the list—making it the "most violent" if it were a state, based purely on FBI-reported violent crime rates.

Here’s how Washington, D.C. compares to U.S. states in terms of homicide rate:

D.C. Homicide Rate (2023)

2023 homicide rate: approximately 39–41 homicides per 100,000 residents.

One source reports 39 per 100,000USAFacts.

Another indicates 40.9 per 100,000The Heritage Foundation.

Ranking: This would place D.C. 4th highest among U.S. states, behind only:

New Orleans (53.8 per 100K)

St. Louis (53.7 per 100K)

Detroit (40.9 per 100K)The Heritage Foundation.

National Comparison

U.S. average homicide rate (2023): approximately 5.9 per 100,000Bureau of Justice Statistics.

D.C.’s rate (~39–41) is thus roughly 7 to 7 times higher than the national average.

To. be clear, I don't support the deployment of the National Guard in Washington DC, but the mayor pretending like everything is peachy-keen in DC is demonstrably false.

Using ChatGPT--or any AI--as a source is questionable to begin with, but even if it was correct in everything it says, note the information is for 2023. What matters is 2025.

I should also note that you won't get present information from ChatGPT because its knowledge base doesn't really go farther than 2023. I found this out when I was asking it about a recent event and it had no idea what I was referring to, and a further question about it had it admit it had no information on current events past October 2023 (although, once when asking a question, it told me its knowledge cutoff was September 2021, so maybe it's earlier than that in some areas).

Pommer · Monday at 10:51 PM

eclipsenow said:
I just listened to the BBC World News - and they just said "Facts don't matter here - it's about rhetoric."
Whatever and where-ever his mood takes him.

"It's becoming a situation of complete and total lawlessness," he told reporters at the White House.

The city's Mayor Muriel Bowser has rejected the president's claims about crime, and while there was a spike in 2023, statistics show it has fallen since then. Violent crime in the city is also at a 30-year low.

Trump deploys National Guard to Washington DC and pledges crime crackdown

The president also takes control of the city's police force, as the mayor rejects his claims of a crime wave.

www.bbc.com

The way he just whips drama up and presents his 'alternative facts' for the nation to swallow is so consistent with NPD!

There are lawyers loitering and lobbyists pandering (and probably jay-walking!)
It’s time to clean up DC! (And since the do-nothing Congress won’t act…what choice does President Trump but to act in our Capital’s defense!?)

eclipsenow · Monday at 11:18 PM

JSRG said:
Using ChatGPT--or any AI--as a source is questionable to begin with, but even if it was correct in everything it says, note the information is for 2023. What matters is 2025.

I should also note that you won't get present information from ChatGPT

Use the web search function! Hit + then more...
and you'll get a whole new world of options.

It will then come up with "Search the web" where you type, and the blue Search tab below to remind you what function you're in.

When I turned all that on - look what it could do?

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:48 PM

eclipsenow said:
I just listened to the BBC World News - and they just said "Facts don't matter here - it's about rhetoric."
Whatever and where-ever his mood takes him.

"It's becoming a situation of complete and total lawlessness," he told reporters at the White House.

The city's Mayor Muriel Bowser has rejected the president's claims about crime, and while there was a spike in 2023, statistics show it has fallen since then. Violent crime in the city is also at a 30-year low.

Trump deploys National Guard to Washington DC and pledges crime crackdown

The president also takes control of the city's police force, as the mayor rejects his claims of a crime wave.

www.bbc.com

The way he just whips drama up and presents his 'alternative facts' for the nation to swallow is so consistent with NPD!

"Isn’t crime at a 30 year low?" Nope.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:49 PM

JosephZ said:
That's from 2023. The violent crime rate in D.C. is 228 per 100,000 residents for the year to date.

The homicide rate is down to 14.3 per 100,000 residents for the year to date.

Based on false reporting.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:50 PM

Fantine said:
And if you asked ChatGPT whether it is wise to let a felon.take over a police force?
Isn't that what's called "organized" crime?

They already put him on payed admistrative leave.

Fantine · Tuesday at 12:23 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
They already put him on payed admistrative leave.

Only one president has felony convictions. The incumbent.

Maria Billingsley · Tuesday at 6:16 AM

eclipsenow said:
I just listened to the BBC World News - and they just said "Facts don't matter here - it's about rhetoric."
Whatever and where-ever his mood takes him.

"It's becoming a situation of complete and total lawlessness," he told reporters at the White House.

The city's Mayor Muriel Bowser has rejected the president's claims about crime, and while there was a spike in 2023, statistics show it has fallen since then. Violent crime in the city is also at a 30-year low.

Trump deploys National Guard to Washington DC and pledges crime crackdown

The president also takes control of the city's police force, as the mayor rejects his claims of a crime wave.

www.bbc.com

The way he just whips drama up and presents his 'alternative facts' for the nation to swallow is so consistent with NPD!

Lets see what happens in 30 days. He can only hold this position for a limited time. Only an act of Congress can extend it. If they do extend indefinitely, be prepared to see this go nation wide. There is a reason the military saw a huge uptick in funding toppeling over 1 trillion dollars. Controlling local authorities via Commander in Chief is right out of the authoritarian playbook.
Buckel up!

ozso · Tuesday at 6:22 AM

Liberalism doesn't like law and order.

Maria Billingsley · Tuesday at 6:24 AM

Not sure if anyone is aware of this but the
"One Big Beautiful Bill" disproportionately funds for federal law enforcement , military and border security, while reducing core support for state and local agencies, cutting programs for community policing, body-worn camera grants, and juvenile justice. If the motivation was truly based on crime reduction, why cut the funding for the crime fighters? Let us reason people, there is an ulterior motive here. I do hope people are beginning to see what is happening right before our eyes.

A2SG · Tuesday at 7:43 AM

ozso said:
Liberalism doesn't like law and order.

Not at all. We just don't care for militarizing law enforcement. The police work best when they're part of the community, not facing them from behind the barrel of a gun.

-- A2SG, or worse, a tank...

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 7:44 AM

ozso said:
Liberalism doesn't like law and order.

You elected a felon.

Yarddog · Tuesday at 7:58 AM

eclipsenow said:
I just listened to the BBC World News - and they just said "Facts don't matter here - it's about rhetoric."
Whatever and where-ever his mood takes him.

"It's becoming a situation of complete and total lawlessness," he told reporters at the White House.

The city's Mayor Muriel Bowser has rejected the president's claims about crime, and while there was a spike in 2023, statistics show it has fallen since then. Violent crime in the city is also at a 30-year low.

Trump deploys National Guard to Washington DC and pledges crime crackdown

The president also takes control of the city's police force, as the mayor rejects his claims of a crime wave.

www.bbc.com

The way he just whips drama up and presents his 'alternative facts' for the nation to swallow is so consistent with NPD!

It's all about distracting people from Trump's other problems.

probinson · Tuesday at 8:18 AM

In related news, the DC Police Commander was suspended in mid-May amongst allegations of changing crime data.

The union claims police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has fallen considerably compared to last year.

DC police commander suspended, accused of changing crime statistics

A D.C. police commander is under investigation for allegedly making changes to crime statistics in his district. The Metropolitan Police Department confirmed Michael Pulliam was placed on paid administrative leave in mid-May. That happened just a week after Pulliam filed an equal employment...

www.nbcwashington.com

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