Ghislaine Maxwell’s move to ‘country club’ prison smacks of special treatment, experts say

FreeinChrist · Monday at 3:43 PM

essentialsaltes said:
Vambram is making the stronger claim that Trump's name does not appear at all.

Yes that is so.

Yarddog · Monday at 3:48 PM

Vambram said:
Wanna bet that Trump's name was never ever in the Epstein files?

That sounds like an easy bet. He was told his name appears many times in the files.

Yarddog · Monday at 3:54 PM

Vambram said:
Donald Trump is NOT a pedophile and he is NOT a rapist.

That depends on which State's definition of rape one uses. In almost every state, what he did to Carroll is rape. In NY, it's sexual assault.

Vambram said:
To assume otherwise without real evidence is an example of not living in the actual real reality, in my opinion.

He was convicted on assault by a jury. Being in the Epstein files doesn't mean anything, unless it states what he did.

Vambram · Monday at 4:42 PM

It looks like to me that liberals will continue to believe a narrative put forth by the left wing media and the progressive leftist leaders of the Democratic Party. If the majority of the American people actually believed that narrative, Donald Trump would not have won the nomination and then the presidential election.

durangodawood · Monday at 5:53 PM

Vambram said:
It looks like to me that liberals will continue to believe a narrative put forth by the left wing media and the progressive leftist leaders of the Democratic Party. If the majority of the American people actually believed that narrative, Donald Trump would not have won the nomination and then the presidential election.

Things changed since the election.

1. Trump installed a bunch of Epstein "truthers" into high law enforcement positions.
2. Said truthers then did a 180 from their previous positions on Epstein revelations.
3. Interested Americans many of whom were Trump voters say "hey.... wait a minute!"

Vambram · Monday at 6:56 PM

durangodawood said:
Things changed since the election.

1. Trump installed a bunch of Epstein "truthers" into high law enforcement positions.
2. Said truthers then did a 180 from their previous positions on Epstein revelations.
3. Interested Americans many of whom were Trump voters say "hey.... wait a minute!"

Trump has been trying to get grand jury testimony released to the public but judges are stopping that from happening. On the other hand, I'm absolutely certain that Epstein had more clients out on his island and on the Lolita Express whom were members of the leaders of the Democratic Party and elites global establishment than were members of the GOP leadership.

ThatRobGuy · Monday at 7:08 PM

Vambram said:
Trump has been trying to get grand jury testimony released to the public but judges are stopping that from happening.

To be fair, when has he ever viewed judicial impediments on his speech as a "show stopper" when it comes to saving face in front of his die-hard fan base?

He's the same guy who, when he felt he wasn't getting a fair shake under Judge Merchan and wanted to defend his own honor in the eyes of his fans, violated judicial gag orders 14 times.

That only leaves a few potential options

A) The promise of "Epstein files" (in the way many were thinking of) were always a nothingburger or an over-hyped overpromise

...or

B) There is something juicy floating around out there, but it implicates people who are connected to powerful people who have massive influence over Trump (which is a short list of names)

At this point, neither A nor B would surprise me all that much, but I'm leaning more toward A. Criminal masterminds typically don't keep neat detailed spreadsheets of their misdeeds sitting in a safe behind a painting, it's not a Steven Seagal movie.

Flipside? If by some small chance there was some Mossad implications involved in the case (which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility -- I did a whole thread on it), a quick call from Bibi would certainly squash that from ever coming out of Trump's mouth.

durangodawood · Monday at 7:37 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
.....At this point, neither A nor B would surprise me all that much, but I'm leaning more toward A. Criminal masterminds typically don't keep neat detailed spreadsheets of their misdeeds sitting in a safe behind a painting, it's not a Steven Seagal movie......

Leverage against prosecution.

Hans Blaster · Monday at 8:51 PM

Vambram said:
Trump has been trying to get grand jury testimony released to the public but judges are stopping that from happening. On the other hand, I'm absolutely certain that Epstein had more clients out on his island and on the Lolita Express whom were members of the leaders of the Democratic Party and elites global establishment than were members of the GOP leadership.

The *judge* in the case thinks it was a stunt and disingenuous. From the judge's ruling:

The one colorable argument under that doctrine for unsealing in this case, in fact, is that doing so would expose as disingenuous the Government’s public explanations for moving to unseal. A member of the public, appreciating that the Maxwell grand jury materials do not contribute anything to public knowledge, might conclude that the Government’s motion for their unsealing was aimed not at “transparency” but at diversion—aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such.

Bradskii · Monday at 10:01 PM

Vambram said:
Respectfully, I shall move on from the weaponized lawfare claim believing that Trump is a rapist as soon as the liberals stop pushing that narrative.

Let's put this to bed. Do you agree that a jury of his peers, after hearing prosecution and defence evidence in a court of law in a civil case over many days found that Trump had sexually assaulted a woman by digitally penetrating her.

Those are indisputable facts, so I'm expecting only one possible answer. Please don't reword the question or dance around it. Just anwer it as it was asked.

I wonder how many little rainbows the post will get...

Bradskii · Monday at 10:06 PM

Vambram said:
Trump's name was never ever in the Epstein files. THAT is the truth and the facts.

When did you get to read them all? Well, you obviously haven't. But, as I've said, Trump was such a close friend, they had common acquaintances, Epstein was a regular at Mar A Lago, he actively persuaded some young women working for Trump to work for him and (was this from your post?) he hit on the young daughter of a member of Trump's club.

Why on earth would you think he wouldn't be mentioned in a detailed dossier of Epstein?

Bradskii · Monday at 10:16 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
This is the part where you provide a source or evidence to prove your assertion. Personally, I think Trump may be mentioned on some of the documents, but nothing showing any criminal activity.

Nobody has said that his name in the files is proof that he did anything wrong. What is being discussed is that some people are saying, incredibly, that his name doesn't appear at all. There surely couldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind that if the name of someone who was so involved socially with Epstein for so many years didn't appear in the files then that would most definitely be cause for concern and would need further investigation.

It has crossed my mind that Trump, or those close to him, have removed his name from the files to save him from some embarrassing but not necessarily illegal conduct. And if that is found to be the case, then Pandora's box will have been flung wide open.

FreeinChrist · Monday at 10:19 PM

Vambram said:
It looks like to me that liberals will continue to believe a narrative put forth by the left wing media and the progressive leftist leaders of the Democratic Party. If the majority of the American people actually believed that narrative, Donald Trump would not have won the nomination and then the presidential election.

None of that address the topic of the OP. Why does a woman convicted as a sexual trafficker with a 20 year sentence get to move into Club Fed after meeting with the #2 man from the DOJ who was once Trump's personal lawyer?

Hans Blaster · Monday at 10:36 PM

Vambram said:
It looks like to me that liberals will continue to believe a narrative put forth by the left wing media and the progressive leftist leaders of the Democratic Party. If the majority of the American people actually believed that narrative, Donald Trump would not have won the nomination and then the presidential election.

which narrative is that? Your claim was too vague.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:53 PM

FreeinChrist said:
Epstine?

Yes. What evidence do you have that shows Trump was involved in any illegal activity involving Jeffery Epstine?

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:59 PM

Pommer · Tuesday at 12:00 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes. What evidence do you have that shows Trump was involved in any illegal activity involving Jeffery Epstine?

AFAIK nothing whatsoever ties Trump to Jeffery Epstine.

FaithT · Tuesday at 12:29 AM

Vambram said:
No, it is not.

LLOL!

FaithT · Tuesday at 1:03 AM

Vambram said:
President Donald Trump is NOT a rapist.

Are you serious? I mean are you for real?

Bradskii · Tuesday at 1:19 AM

Pommer said:
AFAIK nothing whatsoever ties Trump to Jeffery Epstine.

Maybe he's mentioned in the Einstein files.

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