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Businesses are raising prices after tariffs — even on unaffected goods

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Two months later, they are down even more. I am not going to be brainwashed into thinking or saying they are higher just because of some manufactured and biased "larger, more reliable data." The only reliable data is the receipt I have in my hand. I am fortunate that I know and understand that personal experience is the only thing that really matters to me. Believe the leftist propaganda if you choose, but I am going to enjoy the reality of my personal experience! :wave:
"Say it ain't so" all you want!
Did ribeyes come down? (I’m still paying ~$16.00/lb!)
 
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Did ribeyes come down? (I’m still paying ~$16.00/lb!)
Food is still climbing, and we haven't yet seen the effect of the tariffs on the cost of the food supply chain.

Of course, we are going to get the effect that this thread is all about.

When a tariff was placed on foreign-produced washing machines, the prices of domestic washing machines rose to match the new price point.

And then the prices of dryers--which hadn't been touched at all by the tariffs--also rose because people common bought washers and dryers as pairs.
 
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Businesses say they're raising prices on goods unaffected by tariffs, according to surveys and anecdotes released by the Federal Reserve on Wednesday.
Why it matters: This could be a sign that price hikes might be more widespread than expected, with concerns that some companies might use tariffs as cover to unnecessarily raise costs.
How it works: About 110 manufacturers and more than 200 service firms in the New York and New Jersey area were surveyed during the first week of May.
  • That's before tariffs on China were reduced from 145% to 30%, and before the boomerang court decisions that invalidated the tariffs before temporarily reinstating them.
  • 90% of manufacturers, and three-quarters of service firms, said they import some goods, and are exposed to higher tariffs.
By the numbers: About three-quarters of firms said they were fully or somewhat passing along tariff increases to customers.
  • About half of companies reported a decrease in their bottom line due to tariffs. Some have reduced headcount.
  • "A significant share" said they raised prices of goods and services unaffected by tariffs — a way to spread higher costs across inventory, or to take advantage of their customers' expectations that prices are rising --AXIOS
Keep in mind this is the same thing that actually happened the first Trump trade war.
Businesses, and yes those non tariff made in America businesses will not forgo an opportunity to raise prices in a tariff environment.
Companies will raise prices to what people are willing to pay. That has nothing to do with tariffs.

If their costs change, the business has choices as does the consumer. However, there is no reason to believe that the customer will pay more for the same product merely because a business chooses to raise prices.
 
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Food is still climbing, and we haven't yet seen the effect of the tariffs on the cost of the food supply chain.

Of course, we are going to get the effect that this thread is all about.

When a tariff was placed on foreign-produced washing machines, the prices of domestic washing machines rose to match the new price point.

And then the prices of dryers--which hadn't been touched at all by the tariffs--also rose because people common bought washers and dryers as pairs.
This makes little sense to me. If the consumer was willing to pay more, why weren't companies charging more before?

I am less than impressed with consumers who chose to pay more merely because a company decided to charge more, as in the case of the dryer. I AM impressed by the retailers who clearly label the "tariff tax increase" so that customers can better make choices.
 
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This makes little sense to me. If the consumer was willing to pay more, why weren't companies charging more before?
Human psychology is often irrational and folks get very, very hung up on their expectations of what things should cost rather than what they actually cost. If consumers are used to volatility (e.g. gasoline), then they accept volatility. If they're used to slow upward growth (e.g. cars), then they expect slow upward growth. And if they're used to stability (e.g. video games), then they expect stability. Within any of these paradigms, prices tend to find an equilibrium where consumers are okay charging an amount that producers are okay accepting. Either side is obviously happy to accept terms more favorable than the equilibrium, but consumers are especially reluctant to pay more; and if one firm tries to disrupt this equilibrium and violate those expectations, consumers can react very, very negatively. I used video games as an example because the nominal (i.e. non-inflation-adjusted) price of a top-shelf video game was stuck at $45-50 for something like 30-35 years, despite the games themselves becoming orders of magnitude more complex and expensive to produce; and when somebody dared pushing it to $60 or $70 (which only happened within the last few years), people got really angry.

But if something external upsets that equilibrium and those pricing expectations - say, a pandemic or a tariff war - well, then consumer expectations get recalibrated; more than one producer will likely ride that wave; and they'll all have something/somebody else to blame.
 
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This makes little sense to me. If the consumer was willing to pay more, why weren't companies charging more before?
Didn't have a "the government made us do it" excuse.
I am less than impressed with consumers who chose to pay more merely because a company decided to charge more, as in the case of the dryer. I AM impressed by the retailers who clearly label the "tariff tax increase" so that customers can better make choices.
What does impressing you have to do with it?
 
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Companies will raise prices to what people are willing to pay. That has nothing to do with tariffs.

If their costs change, the business has choices as does the consumer. However, there is no reason to believe that the customer will pay more for the same product merely because a business chooses to raise prices.
Yes, never mind the all the companies who are literally saying they are raising prices because of tariffs.
 
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Companies will raise prices to what people are willing to pay. That has nothing to do with tariffs.

If their costs change, the business has choices as does the consumer. However, there is no reason to believe that the customer will pay more for the same product merely because a business chooses to raise prices.
Sometimes people have to buy stuff.
 
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Two months later, they are down even more. I am not going to be brainwashed into thinking or saying they are higher just because of some manufactured and biased "larger, more reliable data." The only reliable data is the receipt I have in my hand. I am fortunate that I know and understand that personal experience is the only thing that really matters to me. Believe the leftist propaganda if you choose, but I am going to enjoy the reality of my personal experience! :wave:
"Say it ain't so" all you want!
My receipt says different than yours. I do by a lot of veggies and fruit. And cat food. My friend , that I know. That are Trump supporters. They complain about the prices being higher. But they would say differently on their forums. Because they have to continue to support Trump.
 
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funny how the people that are against raising minimum wage because it will raise prices, now are concerned about prices and no longer behind buisnesses making a profit but a loss.
I'm afraid, the more that minimum wage increase. People will have less hours.
 
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I'm afraid, the more that minimum wage increase. People will have less hours.
That's why I still think Warren Buffet has the best idea I've heard: Don't increase minimum wage, but substantially increase Earned Income Credit.
 
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1) Food is still going up every month.

2) All projections (other than Trump's show expected inflation increase a bit in the next year, perhaps in the 3%-4% range in 2026 (not terrible by historical standards, although a recession could lower those rates).

3) Food inflation is very likely to go up as the cost of goods from Brazil and Mexico go into the supply chain. Grocers cannot afford to absorb all the cost increases. Food costs will also go up as labor
Yes, never mind the all the companies who are literally saying they are raising prices because of tariffs.
They can give whatever reason they want.

For example, a company who raises prices on dryers that have no tariff and say that it is because of the tariff is simply lying to you.

In the end, it is the consumer that makes the buying decision not matter how high or low a company sets the price.
 
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Sometimes people have to buy stuff.
fair enough
Yes, lots of essential goods will cost more because of the trump tariff tax.

However, in many situations folks will subsitute other goods or simply buy less.
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Let me be clear. I believe that across the board tariffs will hurt the US economy and US consumers. Perhaps, the inflation norm will move from 2% to 3% or 4%. Tariffs are a national sales tax on certain imported goods. Many folks have been proposing this for many years.

EU consumer will benefit because their countries will be forced to reduce their tariffs and restriction on US goods, giving the consumer a bargain.
 
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The BLS is not over-reporting inflation. The Federal Government has too much at stake to do that. Social Security cost of living increases are tied to government data if the Feds overstate it they lose some serious money. If anything they underreport inflation. Like how medical categories are about 9% in the CPI but the total amount spent on health care is around 17%. Since medical is one of the fastest sectors growing inflation this dampens the true CPI. There are other tricks to understate the true inflation rate. Hedonic pricing is also used for products that cost more but have "added" features. This is somewhat rare but it is hard to adjust for what the value of an improved product. Anyway, if any person's individual experience is lower prices, that is great for you for the rest of us the new CPI report is out Thursday, the PPI out on Friday. The tariff costs are just starting to hit. If you think the car companies and others are going to eat the full cost of tariffs, you will see soon enough that it is wrong.
 
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People are correct in saying prices are down; compared to when inflation was at 7% and last summer, today's prices are relatively lower.

We haven't seen the tariff effect yet because major corporations imported over 30% of their products in the first quarter, which were then sold in the second quarter. The impact of tariffs will likely become evident by the end of this year. Many businesses absorbed the costs or imported products before tariffs took effect, but now that tariffs are more permanent, companies are expected to pass these costs on to consumers.
Yes the rate of inflation is down. Some are expecting it to trend back up again but few see it as high as it got when all the money flooded most people during the pandemic. Good call on the time lags and build up of inventory preceding the actual tariffs.
 
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People are correct in saying prices are down; compared to when inflation was at 7% and last summer, today's prices are relatively lower.
Inflation is down, but that's the rate at which prices are increasing. Prices are still going up (on average). To go down, the inflation rate would have to be negative.
 
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I'm afraid, the more that minimum wage increase. People will have less hours.
yeah there is a fallacy in there, jobs still need to be done, if a buisness needs 400 man hours a day, they still need 400 man hours a day if they are paying 3$'s more an hour. It would maybe shut down some hours, but not to the extent people like to treat it.
 
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1) Food is still going up every month.

2) All projections (other than Trump's show expected inflation increase a bit in the next year, perhaps in the 3%-4% range in 2026 (not terrible by historical standards, although a recession could lower those rates).

3) Food inflation is very likely to go up as the cost of goods from Brazil and Mexico go into the supply chain. Grocers cannot afford to absorb all the cost increases. Food costs will also go up as labor

They can give whatever reason they want.

For example, a company who raises prices on dryers that have no tariff and say that it is because of the tariff is simply lying to you.

In the end, it is the consumer that makes the buying decision not matter how high or low a company sets the price.
I think we agree. Trump's actions will and "is" driving up costs and those in business never one to miss a profit opportunity will raise prices right along with them even though their products are not subject to tariffs. :thumbsup:
 
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