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Businesses are raising prices after tariffs — even on unaffected goods

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Businesses say they're raising prices on goods unaffected by tariffs, according to surveys and anecdotes released by the Federal Reserve on Wednesday.
Why it matters: This could be a sign that price hikes might be more widespread than expected, with concerns that some companies might use tariffs as cover to unnecessarily raise costs.
How it works: About 110 manufacturers and more than 200 service firms in the New York and New Jersey area were surveyed during the first week of May.
  • That's before tariffs on China were reduced from 145% to 30%, and before the boomerang court decisions that invalidated the tariffs before temporarily reinstating them.
  • 90% of manufacturers, and three-quarters of service firms, said they import some goods, and are exposed to higher tariffs.
By the numbers: About three-quarters of firms said they were fully or somewhat passing along tariff increases to customers.
  • About half of companies reported a decrease in their bottom line due to tariffs. Some have reduced headcount.
  • "A significant share" said they raised prices of goods and services unaffected by tariffs — a way to spread higher costs across inventory, or to take advantage of their customers' expectations that prices are rising --AXIOS
Keep in mind this is the same thing that actually happened the first Trump trade war.
Businesses, and yes those non tariff made in America businesses will not forgo an opportunity to raise prices in a tariff environment.
 
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Businesses say they're raising prices on goods unaffected by tariffs, according to surveys and anecdotes released by the Federal Reserve on Wednesday.
Why it matters: This could be a sign that price hikes might be more widespread than expected, with concerns that some companies might use tariffs as cover to unnecessarily raise costs.
How it works: About 110 manufacturers and more than 200 service firms in the New York and New Jersey area were surveyed during the first week of May.
  • That's before tariffs on China were reduced from 145% to 30%, and before the boomerang court decisions that invalidated the tariffs before temporarily reinstating them.
  • 90% of manufacturers, and three-quarters of service firms, said they import some goods, and are exposed to higher tariffs.
By the numbers: About three-quarters of firms said they were fully or somewhat passing along tariff increases to customers.
  • About half of companies reported a decrease in their bottom line due to tariffs. Some have reduced headcount.
  • "A significant share" said they raised prices of goods and services unaffected by tariffs — a way to spread higher costs across inventory, or to take advantage of their customers' expectations that prices are rising --AXIOS
Keep in mind this is the same thing that actually happened the first Trump trade war.
Businesses, and yes those non tariff made in America businesses will not forgo an opportunity to raise prices in a tariff environment.
It's also the same thing that happened during covid, where corporations took the opportunity to hike prices as much as the market would bear, not merely what was enough to cover their increased costs.
 
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I was curious about the impact of Trump's tariffs so I put together some information that is related to this thread about price hikes and tariffs.

The profit margin you make on a product is an important metric. WalMart's profit margin is 2.85%. If a product goes from 10.00 to 11.00 because of a tariff they not only have to raise the price to 1.00 but they need the 2.85 cents added on, plus the taxes they have to pay on the additional income. Of course, few companies have that low of profit margin.
The problem I see with tariffs is that when they are declared illegal or reduced by the next President, which seems rather certain, there won't be much of a price decline.

The good news on tariffs is that we might think that a ten percent tariff is exactly ten percent on the good. No it is 10% of the value of the import. So the tariff is on the wholesale price of the good and only the part that actually comes from the imported nation. Also, if the product being imported has any U.S. content (Parts or value added that are included in the import that are from the USA) those parts are not part of the tariff either.

A sort of "nasty" (at least to me) example would be salmon. It is not uncommon for USA, even Alaska wild salmon to be shipped to China for processing into a frozen food and then shipped back to America. The salmon itself would be exempt from tariffs, but the processing cost which is the value added in China would be subject to a tariff. If that were ten percent of the total cost, with a 50% tariff the .10 x .50 would equal a 5% cost increase in salmon. The freight and shipping cost is also part of the tariff though as well as the additional need to maintain a profit margin.

It was absurd that Trump would suggest to Walmart that they better not raise prices. With this small 2.85% profit margin they would soon go bankrupt if they did not hike prices. Many of the items will not be like China processed, USA salmon. Instead they may be 100% Chinese made and subject to tariffs on the entire wholesale cost.

An example would be an electric can opener costing 20.00. If the wholesale price to walmart was $10.00, then the 50% tariff would be $5.00, a 25% increase in total price. In this example you might think that walmart is making a huge profit margin, but the reason for 2.85% actual profit margin is that Walmart pays quite a bit in utilities, building costs, labor, warehousing, taxes etc.

Great companies like Walmart have sophisticated supply chains. They generally have vendor contracts for units and Walmart generally must pay the tariff on the wholesale cost. As possible, they are shifting to vendors out of China. Trump and the courts instability on exact tariff rates though make their process difficult. The top range for toys from China is already starting to show up and some have seen a price hike of 45%. Estimates though for total tariff affects on inflation seem far more subdued. "For example, if an across-the-board 25% tariff is fully passed through to finished goods, near-term price increases are estimated to be about 9.5% for investment goods and 2.2% for consumption goods." The Effects of Tariffs on Inflation and Production Costs - San Francisco Fed

Personally, I think those numbers are too low for consumption goods. As prices rise we will enter a new cycle of wage demands and price hikes in everything else as the Federal Reserve suggests in the opening post. The exception might be housing prices could subside and even decline. Also, the threat of demand pullbacks due to higher prices will effect even local government sales tax revenues and if consumers really react negatively to tariffs, economic contraction.
 
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From the moment he announced the tariffs price increases should have been anticipated by everyone. Corporations aren’t going to eat them nor will their shareholders support it. No one is unscathed. We’ve seen higher prices at the farmers market and they’re producing things locally. But their business expenses are increasing too and they’re passing them on to us.

We’re putting up more food this year and I encourage others to follow suit. Take advantage of the opportunity to get produce in bulk and start making things yourself. Get the largest freezer you can afford and fill it up. Buy a lot of dry goods in bulk and store them in food grade buckets with gamma lids. Buy some yeast and make your own bread. If the budget permits get a grain mill and grind your flour as needed. Grains are cheaper than flour and last a long time.

We’ll have increased layoffs in the fall and if you go on YouTube and lookup the term you’ll see a host of videos mentioning companies who are laying off employees over Ai. I said it was replacement technology a few years ago and we’re seeing it unfold. If you have one source of income you’d better add a second if you’re still in the workforce. They’re going to cut as much as they can.

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Businesses say they're raising prices on goods unaffected by tariffs, according to surveys and anecdotes released by the Federal Reserve on Wednesday.
We went shopping yesterday. Prices are actually down.
 
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Tariffs on imported cars and auto parts cost General Motors $1.1 billion in the second quarter, the nation’s largest automaker said Tuesday.

That hit to its bottom line was largely responsible for a 21% drop in net income for the period. The company said it expects tariffs to cost it between $4 billion to $5 billion by year’s end.


The industry so far has been able to weather those costs and remain profitable without raising car prices, in large part because it already has a backlog of vehicles built or imported before tariffs took hold.

 
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We went shopping yesterday. Prices are actually down.
An Anecdotal Fallacy occurs when someone relies on personal experiences or individual cases as evidence for a general claim, overlooking larger and more reliable data.
 
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An Anecdotal Fallacy occurs when someone relies on personal experiences or individual cases as evidence for a general claim, overlooking larger and more reliable data.
You are absolutely right. Tariffs triggering price increases are in the first inning. If the courts allow them to continue, the price increases are sure to come, the only question is when and by how much. Most businesses desire to keep their margins steady or even raise them if possible.
 
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It's also the same thing that happened during covid, where corporations took the opportunity to hike prices as much as the market would bear, not merely what was enough to cover their increased costs.
not to defend them, but I wonder if they increase all prices, so that the cost is split over all things, rather so everythin increases say 10% vs 20-30% on only a few things,
 
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We went shopping yesterday. Prices are actually down.
tariffs haven't hit between TACO and delayed effect, the stuff they are selling now are the stuff they already bought, stuff from china for instance as usual will take a month to get herethat are effected by the tariffs, and by then trump will have given up again.
 
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An Anecdotal Fallacy occurs when someone relies on personal experiences or individual cases as evidence for a general claim, overlooking larger and more reliable data.
Two months later, they are down even more. I am not going to be brainwashed into thinking or saying they are higher just because of some manufactured and biased "larger, more reliable data." The only reliable data is the receipt I have in my hand. I am fortunate that I know and understand that personal experience is the only thing that really matters to me. Believe the leftist propaganda if you choose, but I am going to enjoy the reality of my personal experience! :wave:
"Say it ain't so" all you want!
 
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Two months later, they are down even more. I am not going to be brainwashed into thinking or saying they are higher just because of some manufactured and biased "larger, more reliable data." The only reliable data is the receipt I have in my hand. I am fortunate that I know and understand that personal experience is the only thing that really matters to me. Believe the leftist propaganda if you choose, but I am going to enjoy the reality of my personal experience! :wave:
"Say it ain't so" all you want!
CPI is running at 2.7%, that is measurable data. Other indicators for inflation are similar. At the current rate of inflation the dollars value will go to half in 27 years. It seems certain to go faster than that. At the target inflation rate of 2 percent the dollar would be worth half in about 36 years. I think we will see 4 or 5% again, unless housing takes a dive.
Here is part fo the most recent purchasing managers index. "
The ISM non-manufacturing purchasing managers’ index fell to 50.1 in July, below the 51.2 that had been expected by economists polled by Dow Jones ahead of the survey, and below the 50.8 reading in June.

The prices paid index within the service survey rose, however, by 2.4 points to 69.9. New export orders fell 3.2 points to 47.9, imports tumbled 5.8 points to 45.9 and the employment index slipped further into a contraction, falling 0.8 point to 46.4.

Deutsche Bank analysts said the ISM data was “worrisome.” They added that it “raised renewed concerns that tariffs were pushing the U.S. economy in a more stagflationary direction, complicating the Fed’s job in the process.”
 
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CPI is running at 2.7%, that is measurable data. Other indicators for inflation are similar. At the current rate of inflation the dollars value will go to half in 27 years. It seems certain to go faster than that. At the target inflation rate of 2 percent the dollar would be worth half in about 36 years. I think we will see 4 or 5% again, unless housing takes a dive.
Here is part fo the most recent purchasing managers index. "
The ISM non-manufacturing purchasing managers’ index fell to 50.1 in July, below the 51.2 that had been expected by economists polled by Dow Jones ahead of the survey, and below the 50.8 reading in June.

The prices paid index within the service survey rose, however, by 2.4 points to 69.9. New export orders fell 3.2 points to 47.9, imports tumbled 5.8 points to 45.9 and the employment index slipped further into a contraction, falling 0.8 point to 46.4.

Deutsche Bank analysts said the ISM data was “worrisome.” They added that it “raised renewed concerns that tariffs were pushing the U.S. economy in a more stagflationary direction, complicating the Fed’s job in the process.”
People are correct in saying prices are down; compared to when inflation was at 7% and last summer, today's prices are relatively lower.

We haven't seen the tariff effect yet because major corporations imported over 30% of their products in the first quarter, which were then sold in the second quarter. The impact of tariffs will likely become evident by the end of this year. Many businesses absorbed the costs or imported products before tariffs took effect, but now that tariffs are more permanent, companies are expected to pass these costs on to consumers.
 
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The man said Be it unto you according to your faith! As for me, I am thanking God for the good times and prosperity! My "experience" now is that I retired 8 years ago, and we are living better today than we ever have. Our bank account grows every month. Our house and car are paid for. All we have are utilities and groceries. We are preppers, and I suspect we overspend. We donate to several charities every month. The Lord told us that our end would be better than our beginning. So I cannot complain about anything.
 
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The man said Be it unto you according to your faith! As for me, I am thanking God for the good times and prosperity! My "experience" now is that I retired 8 years ago, and we are living better today than we ever have. Our bank account grows every month. Our house and car are paid for. All we have are utilities and groceries. We are preppers, and I suspect we overspend. We donate to several charities every month. The Lord told us that our end would be better than our beginning. So I cannot complain about anything.
You say you donate to charities?

Then surely you realize there are people who aren't doing as well as you are.
 
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You say you donate to charities?

Then surely you realize there are people who aren't doing as well as you are.
Well, Jesus said, "The poor will be with you always." So I suspect that is an eternal truth that will never change, regardless of age, nation, or politics. As for our nation, the current politics have little to do with tariffs or the economy. The nation's current economic woes are due to decades of deficit spending, and now a giant piano is hanging over it. The crash is inevitable unless drastic changes and remedies are taken. People will not like the remedies that would have to be implemented. They will vote away anyone who even suggests things like higher taxes, cut benefits, and price and wage controls. Many hate the tariffs, and it seems Trump has pulled back somewhat. But I would not look for anything to change. It does not matter who the city's mayor is when the earthquake hits. The detb is a 9.1 earthquake, and it is overdue. Our family saw this coming and has prepared. The Lord recently told us we have prepped enough, and we can stop. So we are in maintenance mode now, just using the older items and replacing them. I feel sorry for those who are suffering. All we can do is pray for a controlled and systematic crash. This is not going to end well for the unprepared. I feel especially for the younger people who will bear the brunt of all this. They will be saddled with the debts accumulated during decades of selfish, irresponsible spending. So sad.
 
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Well, Jesus said, "The poor will be with you always." So I suspect that is an eternal truth that will never change, regardless of age, nation, or politics.
I never thought to see an argument that poverty was biblically mandated. Why, it’d probably be “sin” to even try and eliminate poverty, best we don’t do that, huh?

As for our nation, the current politics have little to do with tariffs or the economy. The nation's current economic woes are due to decades of deficit spending, and now a giant piano is hanging over it.
The GOP has cut taxes nearly every time they’ve landed in the White House…but it’s the “spending” that has been the problem?

The crash is inevitable unless drastic changes and remedies are taken. People will not like the remedies that would have to be implemented. They will vote away anyone who even suggests things like higher taxes, cut benefits, and price and wage controls.
Many people would be against the government trying to “manage the economy”, on both the Left and the Right.

Many hate the tariffs, and it seems Trump has pulled back somewhat. But I would not look for anything to change. It does not matter who the city's mayor is when the earthquake hits. The detb is a 9.1 earthquake, and it is overdue.
They’re discovering extinction-sized asteroids all of the time, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope left?

Our family saw this coming and has prepared. The Lord recently told us we have prepped enough, and we can stop. So we are in maintenance mode now, just using the older items and replacing them. I feel sorry for those who are suffering. All we can do is pray for a controlled and systematic crash.
Good luck to you & yours!

This is not going to end well for the unprepared. I feel especially for the younger people who will bear the brunt of all this.
Back in the 1950s “fallout shelters” were a thing, (brilliant, actually, getting people to self-bury themselves)!

They will be saddled with the debts accumulated during decades of selfish, irresponsible spending. So sad.
To whom will the “unprepared” owe these debts?
(Who’s going to be left to “collect”?)
 
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CPI is running at 2.7%, that is measurable data. Other indicators for inflation are similar. At the current rate of inflation the dollars value will go to half in 27 years. It seems certain to go faster than that. At the target inflation rate of 2 percent the dollar would be worth half in about 36 years. I think we will see 4 or 5% again, unless housing takes a dive.
Here is part fo the most recent purchasing managers index. "
The ISM non-manufacturing purchasing managers’ index fell to 50.1 in July, below the 51.2 that had been expected by economists polled by Dow Jones ahead of the survey, and below the 50.8 reading in June.

The prices paid index within the service survey rose, however, by 2.4 points to 69.9. New export orders fell 3.2 points to 47.9, imports tumbled 5.8 points to 45.9 and the employment index slipped further into a contraction, falling 0.8 point to 46.4.

Deutsche Bank analysts said the ISM data was “worrisome.” They added that it “raised renewed concerns that tariffs were pushing the U.S. economy in a more stagflationary direction, complicating the Fed’s job in the process.”
You're not going to penetrate that Star Trek deflector shield.
 
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