3 killed by strike at Gaza's only Catholic church; Israel launches probe, expresses 'deep sorrow'

Vanellus said:

A New Dawn had insisted that Hamas only attacked civilians. This is not true.

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Vanellus said:

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa since 1948.

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Vanellus said:

It is Israel that has destroyed Gaza. Compare pictures of Gaza now with Tel Aviv now. Criticism of Israel is not support for Hamas. It is dishonest and defamatory to say so.

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Vanellus said:

Israel has killed far more Palestinians than vice versa since 1948.

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A New Dawn said:

What part of ….. If Hamas hadn’t attacked Israel for the umpteenth time, If Hamas hadn’t taken hostages and beaten and starved them to death, and If Hamas had released the hostages (dead and alive) this would never have happened, don’t you understand? The blame is SOLELY on Hamas.

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A New Dawn said:

No, A New Dawn did not.

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Hentenza said:

Non sensical. You still defend the terrorists. As I said, all Hamas had to do was to release the hostages and negotiate in good faith. Are you going to address that or keep moving the goal posts?

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Hentenza said:

Address my post. What you just posted here is just noise and deflection.

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A New Dawn said:

Israel has saved more Palestinians than Hamas since Hamas took over the governing of Gaza because Hamas refused to provide water and electricity to them, so Israel provided it. Come to think of it, that was a really stupid thing to do since Israel was planning to kill them all along.

/sarcasm

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On Monday, Israel declared a "complete siege" on the territory, saying electricity, food, fuel and water would be cut off.

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Israel's decision to cut power to Gaza did not turn many lights off in the strip, but it has exacerbated the water crisis hitting the territory.

Under the expansion of the Netanyahu government's blockade of Gaza, which was announced on Sunday (local time), electricity would be switched off in a bid to pressure Hamas to adopt a temporary extension of the ceasefire.

It has forced a major water plant to run on generators — slashing water output from 18,000 cubic metres per day to just 2,000 cubic metres, according to the plant's management.

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This principle was reinforced after World War II with the 1949 Geneva Conventions. The Fourth Geneva Convention, which protects civilians in wartime, contains an explicit ban. Article 33 states, “No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.”

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Vanellus said:

I am making factually accurate statements that because of your bias you can't accept.

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Vanellus said:

I made a factually accurate statement which you misspelled as non sensical (sic). What does that say about you?

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And Hamas vowed to destroy Israel since their creation in 1987. They destroyed whatever advances the PLO and Israel had gained through the Oslo Accords. They have been attacking Israel with rockets and other ordinance since they took over the government of Gaza in 2007. Hamas is a pawn of Iran and carry the same terrorist rhetoric about the destruction of Israel and the US. You are defending a terrorist organization that could not care less about the Palestinian people as evidenced by their past and present actions

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Vanellus said:

In post 29 you wrote "ALL OF HAMAS’s ATTACKS have been against civilians."

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Vanellus said:

Oct 2023
Gaza 'soon without fuel, medicine and food' - Israel authorities

Mar 2025
'Unfit for human consumption': Israel's Gaza power cut sparks water crisis


Collective punishment is a war crime
Is Collective Punishment a War Crime?

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Hentenza said:

Which ones? Can you cite any?

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A New Dawn said:

Twice in that same post, previous to that comment, I said they targeted civilians, while you deny that that is true.

And, oh, look, when I google that question, the answer is that most of Hamas’s attacks over the years targeted civilians. Go figure.

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Hentenza said:

@Vanellus

This is my post 74 which you keep ignoring. I understand that is hard for you to deal with actual facts but maybe you can make an exception. Let’s talk history.

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A New Dawn said:

Aren’t you clever. You found articles that demonstrated just what I said. Until Hamas attacked, Israel supplied water and electricity to Gaza. And guess what? It’s all Hamas’s fault. All of it. Hamas is the government in Gaza, not Israel.

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During the Second Intifada, Israel blockaded the Palestinian territories, including the Gaza Strip, several times.[67][68] In Gaza, the blockade caused unemployment to skyrocket to 85%. Christian Aid reported that malnourishment among children doubled in one year due to the blockade.[69] Clinics run by Middle East Council of Churches also reported treating increasing numbers of underweight and malnourished children.[69]

June 2007 – January 2008​

In June 2007, Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in the Battle of Gaza,[65] and removed Fatah officials. Following the Hamas takeover, the sanctions put in place after Hamas's 2006 electoral victory were dramatically tightened. Truck transits, which had been 12,000 per month in 2005, were reduced to 2,000 by November of that year, when in a further measure, in the context of Hamas rocket fire and Israeli attacks, food supplies were halved, fuel imports slashed and foreign currency restricted by the latter.[

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