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Ignorant Christians battle sin by using their flesh

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Christian who does not know what the flesh is, thinking that all evil and sin comes from the flesh. And thought that good and kind acts come from the Spirit of God. Therefore, ignorant Christian often thinks that sinning (disobedience and breaking the law) is from the flesh. Hence, most ignorant Christians associate behaviour as an indication of repentance (good behaviour equals a Christian who has repented and bad behaviour equals a false Christian who was not saved).

Have you considered this? A non-Christian (gentile) from all other religions who has never accepted Jesus, never born again, does NOT have the Spirit of God and still the sinner is capable of doing charitable works, good works, kind acts and sacrifice self for others. From this, we can conclude that the flesh (which is part of the unsaved sinner) is capable of EVIL and GOOD works.

If good works is a sign of repentance and salvation, doesn’t that qualify a non-Christian who has done lots of good work entry into Heaven? But the answer is NO. According to the bible, nothing good comes from the flesh.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

And that includes the righteous deeds and acts from the flesh.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all OUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS ARE LIKE FILTHY RAGS; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away

The flesh is like a two-edged sword, sin/disobedience on one edge and good works/righteous acts on the other edge.

When you are sinning, you will feel condemn and distant yourself from God and church.

When you are doing good works and righteous, you will feel good, pride will start to increase. And you will stop depending on God until your next sin or fall.

Both sides of the flesh will cut like a two-edged sword.

What is the Spirit of God?

The Spirit of God is a totally foreign entity that is not part of us. The spirit of God has a will of its own. When a person is born again and received the Holy Spirit, it indwells the Christian.

Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

The Spirit of God and the flesh are two different entities in a Christian. They are constantly at war with each other.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

How to know that you are operating in the Flesh or the Spirit?

The flesh is part of us. When we operate in the flesh, we will be depending on ourselves.

Why does the flesh sins? It is due to the lack of faith in God. When we depend on ourselves, we take the faith in God and put it on ourselves.

Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT COME FROM FAITH IS SIN.

Because of the lack of faith in God, we will start to doubt (whether God will or even willing to provide?).

Doubting lead to worry (we will start to formulate our own plans).

Worrying lead to fear (when our plans failed).

Fear lead to sin (we will use unorthodox methods such as lying, cheating, stealing and etc).

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Doubting is unbelieving and it ends in fear. A doubtful and fearful heart is the mother and the start of sins. In Revelation 21:8, God puts the fearful and unbelieving as the first group into hell.

Are you feeling weary and burdened to please God? If yes, then you are depending on your flesh (self-effort, self-determination, self-sacrifice and yourself) to obey. Everything depending on self is of the flesh.

During Jesus’ ministry on earth (except when he was carrying our sins), there was NO mention of Jesus feeling worried, anxious, stressed and fearful when he was facing an impossible situation with no solution. Instead, Jesus was always restful, relaxed, calm and gentle.

Why it is so? It is because Jesus did not depend on himself. Jesus did NOT plan ahead (Remember, the Holy Spirit is a different entity from our mind and body. If we plan ahead, we are depending on our own intelligence and abilities).

Mark 13:11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

The only preparation work that Jesus did was to pray. Jesus flowed with the Spirit of God and did what he saw his Father did through the Spirit. If God the Father completed the task, there is no doubt that it will be completed physically when we embark on the assigned task.

John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

Even though Jesus’ 3.5 years of ministry on earth was tough and impossible (in the eye of man), he said that his yoke is easy and burden is light. Jesus flowed with the Spirit of God and did what was assigned to him by God (there are many good works to be done but not all good works are assigned) and he did it with the empowerment of the Spirit of God (when God assign a task, he will go in advance to make preparation in the situation and hearts of the people involved.)

Have you removed your old yoke (the yoke of the law which is designed to be uphold and obey by the flesh) and put on Jesus’ yoke (the yoke of grace which is lots of prayer and flowing with the Holy Spirit and empowerment from God)?

Matthew 11:28-30 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
 

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Christian who does not know what the flesh is, thinking that all evil and sin comes from the flesh. And thought that good and kind acts come from the Spirit of God. Therefore, ignorant Christian often thinks that sinning (disobedience and breaking the law) is from the flesh. Hence, most ignorant Christians associate behaviour as an indication of repentance (good behaviour equals a Christian who has repented and bad behaviour equals a false Christian who was not saved).

Have you considered this? A non-Christian (gentile) from all other religions who has never accepted Jesus, never born again, does NOT have the Spirit of God and still the sinner is capable of doing charitable works, good works, kind acts and sacrifice self for others. From this, we can conclude that the flesh (which is part of the unsaved sinner) is capable of EVIL and GOOD works.

If good works is a sign of repentance and salvation, doesn’t that qualify a non-Christian who has done lots of good work entry into Heaven? But the answer is NO. According to the bible, nothing good comes from the flesh.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

And that includes the righteous deeds and acts from the flesh.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all OUR RIGHTEOUS ACTS ARE LIKE FILTHY RAGS; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away

The flesh is like a two-edged sword, sin/disobedience on one edge and good works/righteous acts on the other edge.

When you are sinning, you will feel condemn and distant yourself from God and church.

When you are doing good works and righteous, you will feel good, pride will start to increase. And you will stop depending on God until your next sin or fall.

Both sides of the flesh will cut like a two-edged sword.

What is the Spirit of God?

The Spirit of God is a totally foreign entity that is not part of us. The spirit of God has a will of its own. When a person is born again and received the Holy Spirit, it indwells the Christian.

Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

The Spirit of God and the flesh are two different entities in a Christian. They are constantly at war with each other.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

How to know that you are operating in the Flesh or the Spirit?

The flesh is part of us. When we operate in the flesh, we will be depending on ourselves.

Why does the flesh sins? It is due to the lack of faith in God. When we depend on ourselves, we take the faith in God and put it on ourselves.

Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and EVERYTHING THAT DOES NOT COME FROM FAITH IS SIN.

Because of the lack of faith in God, we will start to doubt (whether God will or even willing to provide?).

Doubting lead to worry (we will start to formulate our own plans).

Worrying lead to fear (when our plans failed).

Fear lead to sin (we will use unorthodox methods such as lying, cheating, stealing and etc).

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Doubting is unbelieving and it ends in fear. A doubtful and fearful heart is the mother and the start of sins. In Revelation 21:8, God puts the fearful and unbelieving as the first group into hell.

Are you feeling weary and burdened to please God? If yes, then you are depending on your flesh (self-effort, self-determination, self-sacrifice and yourself) to obey. Everything depending on self is of the flesh.

During Jesus’ ministry on earth (except when he was carrying our sins), there was NO mention of Jesus feeling worried, anxious, stressed and fearful when he was facing an impossible situation with no solution. Instead, Jesus was always restful, relaxed, calm and gentle.

Why it is so? It is because Jesus did not depend on himself. Jesus did NOT plan ahead (Remember, the Holy Spirit is a different entity from our mind and body. If we plan ahead, we are depending on our own intelligence and abilities).

Mark 13:11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

The only preparation work that Jesus did was to pray. Jesus flowed with the Spirit of God and did what he saw his Father did through the Spirit. If God the Father completed the task, there is no doubt that it will be completed physically when we embark on the assigned task.

John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

Even though Jesus’ 3.5 years of ministry on earth was tough and impossible (in the eye of man), he said that his yoke is easy and burden is light. Jesus flowed with the Spirit of God and did what was assigned to him by God (there are many good works to be done but not all good works are assigned) and he did it with the empowerment of the Spirit of God (when God assign a task, he will go in advance to make preparation in the situation and hearts of the people involved.)

Have you removed your old yoke (the yoke of the law which is designed to be uphold and obey by the flesh) and put on Jesus’ yoke (the yoke of grace which is lots of prayer and flowing with the Holy Spirit and empowerment from God)?

Matthew 11:28-30 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
What you are talking about is a form of Marconianism which was denounced by the early church.
 
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I think one of the greatest tactics satan can use is to mimmick superficially what Christs truth represents in this world. Secular or as you call it fleshly ideas can look pretty close to the good fruits of the spirit. Paul mentions the obvious ones like sexual immorality.

But the false ideas today that are presented as Christs truths are a cunning manipulation of the truth to make them look the same. Both place importance on equality, justice, and doing good in helping the poor.

But only one is identified as from Christ.

What I have noticed which I think is the telling difference is that the good claimed in Christ that is misleading always is associated with the secular ideas and comes hand in hand with political ideas about creating some equal and just society on earth at the expense of Gods Kingdom.

The other sign or bad fruit is division. This leads to dividing the church into groups that fight over the political and theological implications.

The last sign is that those professing these truths and ideas make it known, make their good works known as the evidence for their truth claims. Just like in the world any good works themselves are held up as the evidence for how good they are. How virtuious they are than this must be the truth.

Whereas if we look at the saints and servants who stood on Christs truth they were quiet, meek, and let their Christlike disposition rather than showing off their good works. Almost like they did not have to say anything because their example spoke the truth.

They did not get involved in the secular world of politics and basically kep to theemselves in protecting the church from the world. But it was this seperation and standing on a consistent and united truth that attracted people to Jesus and the church. Not the fighting over what is truth.

When ideas are causing divisions and conflicts and are themselves presented as the truth then we can know this is not of Christ but man.
 
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This thread was moved from Ethics & Morality to this forum as it fits better here.
 
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Even though Jesus’ 3.5 years of ministry on earth was tough and impossible (in the eye of man), he said that his yoke is easy and burden is light. Jesus flowed with the Spirit of God and did what was assigned to him by God (there are many good works to be done but not all good works are assigned) and he did it with the empowerment of the Spirit of God (when God assign a task, he will go in advance to make preparation in the situation and hearts of the people involved.)

Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, who united His divinity with our humanity, putting on our human nature and thus being fully God and fully man without change, confusion, separation or division of His divinity and humanity - this fact being assumed by both the Chalcedonian churches and the Oriental Orthodox (and also the Assyrian Church of the East which some people incorrectly call Nestorian).

Now it is of course the case that the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, is a separate person of the Holy Trinity, fully God and thus consubstantial with Christ, together with him being united in one essence with God the Father from whom Christ is begotten before all worlds and from whom the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally.

It is also the case that, owing to His full humanity and full divinity, as plainly expressed in scriptural text, Christ our True God has a distinct human will and divine will (interestingly the only Bishop of Rome to be anathematized by an ecumenical council accepted by both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics and most Protestants was Pope Honorius I, who was anathematized by the Sixth Ecumenical Council for Monothelitism, which is the denial that Christ has a human will and a divine will).

Thus speaking of Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God in such a manner seems inconsistent with Trinitarian doctrine. Thus I have concerns about whatever ethical point you are trying to make is rooted in a flawed understanding of the Holy Trinity.

I would also observe that if anyone is suggesting that good works committed in the flesh are somehow sinful, they are entirely wrong (see the Epistle of James, and also the instructions of Christ himself on the importance of helping others), a point recognized by Protestants and by no means incompatible with Sola Fide, since the prevailing Protestant understanding is that a living faith will produce good works as the fruit thereof (however, I would argue the Orthodox theological approach which is not Sola Fide but something like Via Fide et Gratia) is simpler than either Sola Fide or the complex system of plenary indulgences used by Roman Catholics, but this is a minor doctrinal variation.
 
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