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3 killed by strike at Gaza's only Catholic church; Israel launches probe, expresses 'deep sorrow'
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Neo con pro Israel "think tanks" i.e. propaganda units and the New York Post are not serious reliable sources. When so called tunnel entrances turn out to be access doors to underground water tanks - well the IDF is not a source to be trusted either. And remember Palestinian and Hamas are not synonyms.
Are these children Hamas?
‘We faced hunger before, but never like this’: skeletal children fill hospital wards as starvation grips Gaza
But given you have intervened in another conversation, Hentenza, do you think that only civilians were targeted and murdered in the Oct 7 attack by Hamas as A New Dawn does?
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And none of the links you share are reliable sources. I am sure the video of the one hostage being made to dig his own grave in one of the tunnels is really just him digging another water tank hole. Thanks for that very informed piece of information.
And those starving children in the hospital are because Hamas is starving them. Why would Hamas do that, you ask? Because when you allow them to control the narrative, they will lie through their teeth and blame the Israelis, and you will believe them.
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Hmm not Reuters, the Guardian, MSN or the BBC - they're all controlled by Hamas? You can't be more ridiculous can you! And not even the Israeli government website! Do you still hold that only civilians were killed by Hamas on October 7? You dodged that question. Of course if Israel allowed foreign journalists into Gaza ... But they don't because they want to hide the truth of their war crimes - but eventually the truth will come out.
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If a news station or other press outlets are relying on the AP, which many do, they can’t be trusted regarding the events in Gaza.
And I never said that only civilians were killed on October 7, I said they were targeted. Are you suggesting that they weren’t? Did Hamas think the music concert that they attacked was a military installation? Did they think that the women they raped and the babies they burned were soldiers in disguise? You are being disingenuous at best.
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If a bank robber took a gun to rob a bank and got into a firefight with a security guard and innocent bystanders were killed, the robber could be charged with their deaths regardless of whether he pulled the trigger or not. It was his illegal action that started the whole evil business. A terrorist attack started this conflict.
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Remove Hamas and aid can get to them. Is really simple.
ETA:
“Enter the information war. Perceptions of civilian casualties in Gaza are, in strategic military parlance, the center of gravity for the conflict. High civilian casualties will dissipate Israel's international support and risk limiting the destruction they can rain on Hamas. Each side knows this and will attempt to shape perceptions, in some cases through any means necessary, and false information will play a key role.
This information war will play out on several fronts. In Gaza, Israel and Hamas will release information that is to their advantage. IDF spokesmen will highlight Hamas's use of human shields and Israeli care in striking targets. Hamas will play up the civilian toll. Both sides will release reams of supporting footage. Outside Gaza, throngs of worldwide supporters will be eager to cheer the cause for their side and will create, like, and share content accordingly.
Take for example the explosion at the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. Hamas quickly blamed the Israelis, and the Israelis quickly blamed Hamas. Israel even released a video purporting to prove the strike was a result of a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket only for the New York Times to discredit the video based on analysis of the video's time stamp. False assertions flew on the internet from deep benches of supporters. Evidence now seems increasingly in favor of a failed Palestinian rocket, but it was obvious that few waited to confirm facts.
The prevalence of false information, and broadly a lack of consensus on shared facts, is characteristic of what RAND calls Truth Decay. The susceptibility to and the sharing of false information online, whether intentionally or not, is particularly pronounced among the highly partisan crowd.”
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You in post #29:
"ALL OF HAMAS’s ATTACKS have been against civilians".
Nahal Oz attack - Wikipedia
Seems like it wasn't a surprise to Hamas that this was a military base that contained IDF soldiers. This shows your statement quoted from post #29 is FALSE.
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I’m sure you‘ll mention the nazi’s and Hitler next. But never mind “innocent“ Hamas.
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I’m just really sick of the so-called (but non-existent)moral superiority of the left that holds Israel to an almost impossibly high standard during the war in which they are the victims while giving Hamas (the terrorist aggressors) a pass and even requiring NOTHING from them, including the very things that could end the war — a ceasefire and releasing the hostages.
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I already called Godwin’s law on another post, but it was in another thread so feel free to use it here.
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Are those pictures part of the "information war" or do they show what Israel has done to Gaza and its people? Btw where have I described Hamas as "innocent"?
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It's not a "moral superiority" to believe that telling the truth matters: that's basic Christian morality. You made a false statement in post #29 which ought to be corrected.
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It shows what Hamas has done to Gaza. All Hamas had to do was release the hostages and negotiate in good faith for a cease fire. But to you Hamas can do no wrong even though they ARE the terrorists.
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