DOJ issues subpoenas to NY AG Letitia James, including over Trump civil fraud case and NRA case: Sources

essentialsaltes · Friday at 11:00 AM

Federal prosecutors in Albany have issued subpoenas to New York Attorney General Letitia James inquiring about her office's civil fraud case against President Donald Trump and corruption case against the National Rifle Association, multiple sources told ABC News.

A spokesperson for James called the subpoenas a "weaponization of the justice system," invoking a criticism Trump used to describe her case against him that resulted in a half-billion-dollar penalty.

"Any weaponization of the justice system should disturb every American. We stand strongly behind our successful litigation against the Trump Organization and the National Rifle Association, and we will continue to stand up for New Yorkers’ rights," the spokesperson said in a statement.

"If prosecutors carry out this improper tactic and are genuinely interested in the truth, we are ready and waiting with the facts and the law," [James' lawyer] Lowell said in a statement.

public hermit · Friday at 11:53 AM

Trump is so petty. Republicans are weak for letting him waste our resources, using them for his personal grudges. All their talk about efficiency or caring about good government is a farce. But, who knows? Maybe this could backfire. He should let sleeping dogs lie.

Fantine · Friday at 2:10 PM

If this weaponized DOJ is investigating someone, that's surefire proof she is 100% innocent.

ozso · Friday at 8:30 PM

Trump doing the same to others as they did to him.

public hermit · Friday at 8:32 PM

ozso said:
Trump doing the same to others as they did to him.

That's basically the devil's golden rule, yeah?

ozso · Friday at 8:35 PM

public hermit said:
That's basically the devil's golden rule, yeah?

Also known as 'turnabout is fair play', 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander', and 'giving them a taste of their own medicine'.

Of course anyone saying this is that, that it's reciprocal revenge, is basically saying the DOJ was weaponized against Trump.

public hermit · Friday at 8:39 PM

ozso said:
Also known as 'turnabout is fair play', 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander', and 'giving them a taste of their own medicine'.

Sure, we can sweeten it up so that it doesn't sound so petty and weak, but it's not a good way of being in the world (according to Christ).

ozso · Friday at 8:49 PM

public hermit said:
Sure, we can sweeten it up so that it doesn't sound so petty and weak, but it's not a good way of being in the world (according to Christ).

Giving someone a taste of their own medicine can be educational.

Are those saying this is reciprocal revenge, saying the DOJ was weaponized against Trump?

public hermit · Friday at 8:55 PM

ozso said:
Giving someone a taste of their own medicine can be educational.

Are those saying this is reciprocal revenge, saying the DOJ was weaponized against Trump?

What happened to virtue, characteristics like magnanimity in our leaders? Let's imagine we were actually trying to make America great? What would that entail? This ain't it. This is all a sad joke of greatness. We have a very low bar for our leaders, and it's probably a sad reflection of ourselves.

ozso · Friday at 9:01 PM

public hermit said:
What happened to virtue, characteristics like magnanimity in our leaders? Let's imagine we were actually trying to make America great? What would that entail? This ain't it. This is all a sad joke of greatness. We have a very low bar for our leaders, and it's probably a sad reflection of ourselves.

Where was all this kind of sentiment when what Trump is doing was being done to him? The same people lamenting over this were cheering it on when it was being done to their enemy.

public hermit · Friday at 10:13 PM

ozso said:
Where was all this kind of sentiment when what Trump is doing was being done to him? The same people lamenting over this were cheering it on when it was being done to their enemy.

I couldn't care less about how people treat Trump. He's not a good man, and he makes the bed he lays in. What bothers me is our citizenry. We are a joke, and it shows. This unfailing support for whatever he is and does is ludicrous. What you want to do is justify him by equating him with the failures of others, which is the lowest bar possible and a sure sign he has nothing of his own to lift up as good and commendable. He's a child, and he has no redeeming qualities except his existence. Only God and the devil could love this man, and for very different reasons.

ozso · Friday at 10:44 PM

public hermit said:
I couldn't care less about how people treat Trump. He's not a good man, and he makes the bed he lays in. What bothers me is our citizenry. We are a joke, and it shows. This unfailing support for whatever he is and does is ludicrous. What you want to do is justify him by equating him with the failures of others, which is the lowest bar possible and a sure sign he has nothing of his own to lift up as good and commendable. He's a child, and he has no redeeming qualities except his existence. Only God and the devil could love this man, and for very different reasons.

My position is a lot more anti-liberalism than it is pro-trump. And what I want to do is point out hypocrisy and artificial sentiments expressed in liberalism. To point out that those in that camp, despite all their sanctimonious posturing, are just as hateful and vindictive as those whom they attack.

public hermit · Friday at 10:54 PM

ozso said:
My position is a lot more anti-liberalism than it is pro-trump. And what I want to do is point out hypocrisy and artificial sentiments expressed in liberalism. To point out that those in that camp, despite all their sanctimonious posturing, are just as hateful and vindictive as those whom they attack.

Okay, that is fair. I am curious. What is your critique of Trump? Is this "weaponization of government" by Trump a good and proper use of our resources? I am inclined to think you should say no, since you think both sides are complicit in the same form of vindictiveness.

ozso · Friday at 11:28 PM

public hermit said:
Okay, that is fair. I am curious. What is your critique of Trump? Is this "weaponization of government" by Trump a good and proper use of our resources? I am inclined to think you should say no, since you think both sides are complicit in the same form of vindictiveness.

Where was the left's concern over the waste of resources in the umpteen separate attempts to bring down Trump over a period of 8 years? All of which failed I might add. That's a really huge amount of waste. Trump will have to go at it for years before getting to that level of waste along those lines.

And here's the conundrum. The only way it can be an eye for an eye, is if members of the legislative and judicial branches are guilty of weaponizing the DOJ in an attempt to topple Trump. And if so what should be done about it? Shouldn't they be investigated? Shouldn't anyone who's guilty of it be indicted? It seems to me it's more like a case where Bob frames Jim, and then Jim presses charges against Bob for doing that.

And I don't have to like Trump to see it that way.

A2SG · Saturday at 12:00 AM

ozso said:
Where was all this kind of sentiment when what Trump is doing was being done to him? The same people lamenting over this were cheering it on when it was being done to their enemy.

When Trump was charged with multiple felonies, the prosecution brought evidence sufficient to convince a jury he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. What evidence does Trump's DOJ have? I'm very curious to see. Let's see what happens when this goes to court, shall we?

-- A2SG, James doesn't seem intimidated, does she?

A2SG · Saturday at 12:28 AM

ozso said:
Where was the left's concern over the waste of resources in the umpteen separate attempts to bring down Trump over a period of 8 years? All of which failed I might add.

Really? 34 felony convictions for fraud. Guilty verdict against Trump and the Trump Organization for fraud regarding the valuation of properties ($354 million judgment). Two separate guilty verdicts for defamation against E. Jean Carroll (including a finding of liable for sexual assault), with two judgments of $5 million and $83 million. Also, there are previous guilty verdicts for fraud regarding Trump University and other matters.

Trump's guilt in various crimes and other cases of fraud has been proven over and over again.

ozso said:
That's a really huge amount of waste. Trump will have to go at it for years before getting to that level of waste along those lines.

One thing I've noticed here is that those who prosecute Trump tend to bring evidence that is sufficient to convince a judge or jury of Trump's guilt. When Trump brings a suit, however, he often seems unable to do the same. For example, his 60+ cases alleging voter fraud over the 2020 election.

Which is a bigger waste of taxpayer dollars, I wonder?

ozso said:
And here's the conundrum. The only way it can be an eye for an eye, is if members of the legislative and judicial branches are guilty of weaponizing the DOJ in an attempt to topple Trump. And if so what should be done about it? Shouldn't they be investigated? Shouldn't anyone who's guilty of it be indicted? It seems to me it's more like a case where Bob frames Jim, and then Jim presses charges against Bob for doing that.

And I don't have to like Trump to see it that way.

I don't care who likes or dislikes Trump. I care about what the evidence shows in court.

-- A2SG, would that Trump did....

ozso · Saturday at 1:57 AM

What's the average number of false convictions per year?

While the exact number is unknown, it's estimated that thousands of innocent people are wrongfully convicted in the U.S. each year. Studies suggest that between 1% and 5% of defendants are wrongly convicted, and considering the roughly one million serious crime convictions annually, this translates to potentially 10,000 to 50,000 wrongful convictions per year, according to Kaplan Marino and Baldani Law Group.

GoldenBoy89 · Saturday at 9:27 AM

public hermit said:
Okay, that is fair. I am curious. What is your critique of Trump?

ozso said:
Where was the left's concern over the waste of resources in the umpteen separate attempts to bring down Trump over a period of 8 years? All of which failed I might add. That's a really huge amount of waste. Trump will have to go at it for years before getting to that level of waste along those lines.

And here's the conundrum. The only way it can be an eye for an eye, is if members of the legislative and judicial branches are guilty of weaponizing the DOJ in an attempt to topple Trump. And if so what should be done about it? Shouldn't they be investigated? Shouldn't anyone who's guilty of it be indicted? It seems to me it's more like a case where Bob frames Jim, and then Jim presses charges against Bob for doing that.

And I don't have to like Trump to see it that way.

Guess what’s missing from this screed?

essentialsaltes · Saturday at 10:49 AM

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi has tapped Ed Martin, the ex-interim U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C., as "special attorney" to probe New York Attorney General Letitia James and Sen. Adam Schiff over allegations of mortgage fraud, two administration officials told NBC News.

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Judge Cannon dismissed the [classified documents] case against all three defendants this past July on the grounds that Smith's appointment as special counsel overseeing the case was unconstitutional because he was not appointed by the president or confirmed by Congress.

RocksInMyHead · Saturday at 11:19 AM

ozso said:
What's the average number of false convictions per year?

While the exact number is unknown, it's estimated that thousands of innocent people are wrongfully convicted in the U.S. each year. Studies suggest that between 1% and 5% of defendants are wrongly convicted, and considering the roughly one million serious crime convictions annually, this translates to potentially 10,000 to 50,000 wrongful convictions per year, according to Kaplan Marino and Baldani Law Group.

And? Is there any reason to think Trump is one of these wrongful convictions aside from your own personal biases?

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