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So, I just started studying with a Book called A Divine Tapestry by Ryan M. McGraw. It is a great book summarizing each chapter of the Bible and providing memory verses for each chapter... but,

His opening summation of Genesis is,

"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."

So is the "seed of the serpent" a category of humans in existence today? Does this reflect upon a certain number of people? Are their minions out for ....

Okay, I'm laughing at myself for suggesting this,

but then, are the non-saved considered the seed of the serpent? Is the author referring to the human race before the flood? Or is this simply a part of being in the state of not being able to justify ourselves before God (aka, depravity)?
 
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heirmiles said:
So, I just started studying with a Book called A Divine Tapestry by Ryan M. McGraw. It is a great book summarizing each chapter of the Bible and providing memory verses for each chapter... but,

His opening summation of Genesis is,

"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."

So is the "seed of the serpent" a category of humans in existence today? Does this reflect upon a certain number of people? Are their minions out for ....

Okay, I'm laughing at myself for suggesting this,

but then, are the non-saved considered the seed of the serpent? Is the author referring to the human race before the flood? Or is this simply a part of being in the state of not being able to justify ourselves before God (aka, depravity)?
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Yeah...that doesn't sound right at all.
It makes it look like there are children of the devil !
That just is not so.
Children of Eve/Adam, sure: but how does McGraw figure children are physically born to the devil ?
 
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'1 John 3. 10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.

I think he is going for the over-arching act of redemption and salvation from the effects of the fall, (which went on unhindered before Noah's flood), and the promise of restoration through Christ, a plan that is promised in the seed of Eve, and partially shown in the covenant to Noah in the recognition of mankind's inability to rid himself completely from sin and establishing the need for both redemption and sanctification.

The "dividing of mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent" sounds a lot like an older Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, "End of Days." But now I'm just thinking out loud.
 
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heirmiles said:
"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."
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I wouldn't say it this way. One of the wisest observations I've heard recently was made by David Brooks, who was quoting Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: "If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being."

Undoing the serpent's ruin means God's act of conquering and repairing the corruption that is in each one of us.
 
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heirmiles said:
So, I just started studying with a Book called A Divine Tapestry by Ryan M. McGraw. It is a great book summarizing each chapter of the Bible and providing memory verses for each chapter... but,

His opening summation of Genesis is,

"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."

So is the "seed of the serpent" a category of humans in existence today? Does this reflect upon a certain number of people? Are their minions out for ....

Okay, I'm laughing at myself for suggesting this,

but then, are the non-saved considered the seed of the serpent? Is the author referring to the human race before the flood? Or is this simply a part of being in the state of not being able to justify ourselves before God (aka, depravity)?
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While using the phrase "seed of the serpent" is biblically accurate, it can be misleading and potentially irresponsible without immediate and clear theological context, given its harmful historical use by fringe groups. Genesis 3:15, is a highly spiritual and symbolic verse where theologians overwhelmingly interpret the "seed ( offspring) of the serpent" as a reference to a spiritual lineage of rebellion.
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heirmiles said:
So, I just started studying with a Book called A Divine Tapestry by Ryan M. McGraw. It is a great book summarizing each chapter of the Bible and providing memory verses for each chapter... but,

His opening summation of Genesis is,

"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."

So is the "seed of the serpent" a category of humans in existence today? Does this reflect upon a certain number of people? Are their minions out for ....

Okay, I'm laughing at myself for suggesting this,

but then, are the non-saved considered the seed of the serpent? Is the author referring to the human race before the flood? Or is this simply a part of being in the state of not being able to justify ourselves before God (aka, depravity)?
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Well, it seems that you need to ask Mr. McGraw, since it's his opinion. I don't agree with his premise.

There are a lot of allegories in the book of Genesis with Adam and Eve and their children dealing with works of the Spirit and works of the flesh.
 
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Maria Billingsley said:
While using the phrase "seed of the serpent" is biblically accurate, it can be misleading and potentially irresponsible without immediate and clear theological context, given its harmful historical use by fringe groups. Genesis 3:15, is a highly spiritual and symbolic verse where theologians overwhelmingly interpret the "seed ( offspring) of the serpent" as a reference to a spiritual lineage of rebellion.
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...or just figurative speech.
 
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heirmiles said:
So, I just started studying with a Book called A Divine Tapestry by Ryan M. McGraw. It is a great book summarizing each chapter of the Bible and providing memory verses for each chapter... but,

His opening summation of Genesis is,

"God covenants with fallen human beings, promising to undo the ruin Satan brought on the human race, dividing mankind into the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent."

So is the "seed of the serpent" a category of humans in existence today? Does this reflect upon a certain number of people? Are their minions out for ....

Okay, I'm laughing at myself for suggesting this,

but then, are the non-saved considered the seed of the serpent? Is the author referring to the human race before the flood? Or is this simply a part of being in the state of not being able to justify ourselves before God (aka, depravity)?
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Jesus said to the Jews that opposed Him "you are of your father the devil" but to those who accepted in "My sheep hear My voice".

They were of the same lineage - differing only by their choice to accept or reject Christ.
 
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