Gaza: In the face of horror, we cannot look away.

2PhiloVoid · 2025-08-06T08:46:48-0500

public hermit said:
Why should that matter? These people support everything he does and says. And, honestly, this is one of the few times he's shown compassion for anyone. I think he knows good and well what's going on there. Why is it after his envoy visits, he decides maybe the US should take over distribution? He knows people are starving and why.

.... they're still calculating and making calls.

public hermit · 2025-08-06T08:49:13-0500

Desk trauma said:
Because you’re pointing to his position as authoritative

Nope. I'm appealing to their unfailing worship of him.

Desk trauma said:
I doubt it. It’s unlikely they could work his name into a briefing on food distribution enough times to hold his attention

I'm open to the possibility he is actually disturbed by what he's been told and has seen.

rambot · 2025-08-06T09:00:59-0500

public hermit said:
Are Christians still supporting Israel and its starvation of the people of Gaza? From the OP, Catholics are not, according to the Pope.

These are not:

‘I’ll eat when they eat’: Indiana pastors participate in nationwide fast for Gaza - United Church of Christ

“I’ll eat when they eat.” The Rev. Sara Ofner-Seals shared these words in an open letter to her Indiana state senators, urging them to use the United

www.ucc.org

This Baptist church in Gaza is not:

Gaza Baptist Church witnesses amid starvation, death in Gaza Strip | Baptist Press

GAZA STRIP (BP) -- “A love offering from the Baptist Church in Gaza” proclaims the sign as Christian Mission to Gaza (CMG) serves hot meals to both Christians and Muslims in the Gaza Strip, where people are starving to death.

www.baptistpress.com

These are not:

As Gaza faces starvation, global religious voices call for immediate aid and respect for human life

As hunger spreads across Gaza, faith leaders are expanding and amplifying the call for the suffering to end.

oikoumene.org

These are not:

Presbyterian clergy join hundreds in 40-day ‘Fast for Gaza’

On May 22, the nonprofit Veterans for Peace — in partnership with 38 co-sponsoring organizations — launched a 40-day “Veterans and Allies Fast for Gaza.” A core group of seven activists is keeping vigil together in New York City while limiting themselves to 250 calories daily — the estimated...

pcusa.org

But while addressing the Evangelical Conference in Jerusalem, think Paula White, Netanyahu claims there is no starvation in Gaza.

https://www.jns.org/netanyahu-to-christian-leaders-no-starvation-in-gaza/

Are Evangelicals still supporting this?

There are Christians who will knee jerk say those organizations are "too woke".

There are others who just xenophobic towards Muslim people (see it here on CF ALL the time...can't trust a gazan to say what's happenning to them....can't trust al Jazeera). Everyone has their own reason to support Israel bur none of them seem righteous, love or justice based.

rambot · 2025-08-06T09:02:25-0500

rjs330 said:
I'm extremely skeptical of anything the UN puts out. I don't believe a thing Hamas puts out. Both groups have lurd through their teeth. Hamas steals the food. If you read the information carefully you will find that the artcles are worded very carefully. Hamas doesnt steal from the UN they say. But the tvey go on to say "criminal gangs" are stealing the food. Gee, who do you think is involved with these criminal gangs? Even the US has said Hamas isnt stealing food oeople say. Except thats not what the report actually says. It says Hamas hasnt stolen from the US.

There are accusations that criminal gangs steal the food. Thats Hamas. The UN refuses to allow the IDF to escort them and refuses to go in with mass truck loads. The UN is the one refusing. Not Israel.

I don't doubt there are hungry people there, but its not because Israel is keeping the food out.

Do they steal the food and burn it?

Does it sit in their warehouses not getting distributed?

Hentenza · 2025-08-06T09:28:56-0500

“The Latest on the Humanitarian Aid Situation:

Israel launched daily humanitarian pauses (10 a.m.–8 p.m.) in Gaza City, Deir al‑Balah, and Al‑Mawasi, along with secured humanitarian corridors (6 a.m.–11 p.m.), coordinated with the UN, to expand aid access. One hundred twenty trucks entered Gaza on Monday during the first humanitarian pause.

The IDF conducted its first-ever food airdrop into Gaza—delivering essential staples like flour, sugar, and canned goods.
Egypt resumed trucked aid delivery through the Kerem Shalom crossing, deploying over 100 trucks loaded with more than 1,200 metric tons of food—the first such aid convoy during active fighting since May 2024.
Jordan and the UAE airdropped 25 tons of supplies, and the UAE, with Israeli approval, began constructing a desalination pipeline from Egypt to Gaza’s Al‑Mawasi, anticipated to serve around 600,000 residents.
Prime Minister Netanyahu stated: “There are secured convoys. There have been all along, but today it is official. There will be no more excuses.”

Read AJC’s statement released Sunday on the aid situation.

What’s really happening near Gaza’s aid sites?

Since Gaza Humanitarian Fund (GHF) began operations in May, international media—often citing figures from Hamas-run ministries in Gaza—have repeatedly reported large casualty numbers near its aid distribution sites. Recently, media outlets, the UN, and the Hamas-controlled Gaza Ministry of Health claimed that hundreds of Palestinians have been killed. However, many of these reports rely on unverifiable sources directly tied to Hamas. GHF Executive Director Johnnie Moore dismissed the casualty claims as part of “a disinformation campaign… meant to shut down our efforts,” accusing Hamas of “intentionally harming people for the purpose of defaming what we’re doing.”

Humanitarian Aid in Gaza: What’s Really Happening

Discover how humanitarian aid is being delivered in Gaza amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, including the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s efforts to bypass Hamas control. Learn how Hamas has exploited aid for terror while spreading misinformation about Israeli actions near...

www.ajc.org

A New Dawn · 2025-08-06T09:46:13-0500

public hermit said:
Israeli forces are shooting people trying to get aid. Trump is concerned about children starving and has considered taking over food distribution. Don't forget, Israel blocked aid and food from coming into Gaza, so Israel is the primary cause of people starving. Either you and your fellow posters have a short memory or you have been fooled by Netanyahu's propaganda.

Israel halts all aid entry into Gaza as U.S. lifts partial arms embargo

Egypt, which helped broker January’s ceasefire deal, condemned Israel’s move, saying it is using “starvation as a weapon.”

www.nbcnews.com

That is not true. It is Hamas controlled censorship. The Israelis said that when they took the food right to the people instead of giving it to Hamas and trusting them to give it out, that Hamas shot at the people to scare them away and the Israelis shot into the air to warn Hamas away.

Why would the Israelis go through the trouble and risk to themselves to take food into Gaza and then shoot the people when they come to collect it? Some of these “reports” are too idiotic to believe. The truth is that when the food is delivered directly to the people, Hamas can’t steal it to sell and make money with to buy weapons.

And your link from 6 months ago means absolutely squat today.

rjs330 · 2025-08-06T09:54:16-0500

rambot said:
Do they steal the food and burn it?

Does it sit in their warehouses not getting distributed?

I dont know if Hamas burns it or not. I haven't heard. We do know they steal it.
Its my understanding that Hamas sells the food they steal, that was meant to be given to the people.

Hentenza · 2025-08-06T10:29:09-0500

“DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Since Israel’s offensive led to a security breakdown in Gazathat has made it nearly impossible to safely deliver food to starving Palestinians, much of the limited aid entering is being hoarded by gangs and merchants and sold at exorbitant prices.

A kilogram (2.2 pounds) of flour has run as high as $60 in recent days, a kilogram of lentils up to $35. That is beyond the means of most residents in the territory, which experts say is at risk of famine and where people are largely reliant on savings 21 months into the Israel-Hamas war.”

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-aid-un-ghf-567c5bffd5d7ae4cc54ea0816a159f8f

I bet the money goes to Hamas.

rambot · 2025-08-06T10:54:17-0500

Hentenza said:
“DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Since Israel’s offensive led to a security breakdown in Gazathat has made it nearly impossible to safely deliver food to starving Palestinians, much of the limited aid entering is being hoarded by gangs and merchants and sold at exorbitant prices.

A kilogram (2.2 pounds) of flour has run as high as $60 in recent days, a kilogram of lentils up to $35. That is beyond the means of most residents in the territory, which experts say is at risk of famine and where people are largely reliant on savings 21 months into the Israel-Hamas war.”

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-aid-un-ghf-567c5bffd5d7ae4cc54ea0816a159f8f

I bet the money goes to Hamas.

Lets assume that was true.

If Israel wants to stop the problem then they should FLOOD the markets with food to drive the prices down and limit hamas profits

Bur israel won't do that cause they are trying to kill gazan citizens.

Hentenza · 2025-08-06T11:06:08-0500

rambot said:
Lets assume that was true.

If Israel wants to stop the problem then they should FLOOD the markets with food to drive the prices down and limit hamas profits

Or maybe Hamas should not allow their gangs to sell the free food meant to feed the starving gazans.

rambot said:
Bur israel won't do that cause they are trying to kill gazan citizens.

That distinction goes to the terrorists.

public hermit · 2025-08-06T11:54:48-0500

A New Dawn said:
And your link from 6 months ago means absolutely squat today.

It means everything since it's a reminder for you of when Israel started to block aid and food from coming into Gaza. That's the point you don't seem to grasp. Israel is the primary cause of the current situation. And whether you want to believe it or not, Israel has been using hunger as a weapon.

Hentenza · 2025-08-06T12:40:20-0500

public hermit said:
Israel is the primary cause of the current situation.

Nah. The Hamas terrorists attacked first and have been attacking Israel for years. Hamas finally bit more than they could chew. It amazes me that you defend a very well known terrorist organization like Hamas who has been causing grief on the gazans since 1987.

A New Dawn · 2025-08-06T13:04:53-0500

public hermit said:
It means everything since it's a reminder for you of when Israel started to block aid and food from coming into Gaza. That's the point you don't seem to grasp. Israel is the primary cause of the current situation. And whether you want to believe it or not, Israel has been using hunger as a weapon.

Israel only blocked the aid so Hamas couldn’t steal it any more. Israel is risking the life of its people by them taking the aid in to give it directly to the people.

rambot · 2025-08-06T13:24:52-0500

Hentenza said:
Or maybe Hamas should not allow their gangs to sell the free food meant to feed the starving gazans.

Ok but they are.
Are you saying poor little Iswael can't deal with does wascally hamas?

I have proposed the solution you can't deny would work. And if this is not about a plot of Israel to exterminate (or at least) crush gazans and to undermine hamas....Israel can act on that.

But im sure deep down you also know Israel is trying to destroy gazans.

DaisyDay · 2025-08-06T13:29:44-0500

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And if you would have continued further, you would have found yourself in Serbia, where you would have really noticed a difference. Serbia! The crossroads between Eastern and Weatern worlds

I thought the crossroad was Istanbul (not Constantinople).

A New Dawn said:
Israel only blocked the aid so Hamas couldn’t steal it any more. Israel is risking the life of its people by them taking the aid in to give it directly to the people.

And what is the real for not allowing Gazans to catch fish?

essentialsaltes · 2025-08-06T13:44:15-0500

DaisyDay said:
And what is the real for not allowing Gazans to catch fish?

Or destroying 90% of farmlands and orchards in Gaza? Hamas guys hiding under strawberry leaves?

Hentenza · 2025-08-06T14:15:07-0500

rambot said:
Ok but they are.
Are you saying poor little Iswael can't deal with does wascally hamas?

Iswael is dealing with wascally Hamas now.

rambot said:
I have proposed the solution you can't deny would work.

Sowy but I missed that.

Sorry couldn’t contain myself. Lol

rambot said:
And if this is not about a plot of Israel to exterminate (or at least) crush gazans and to undermine hamas....Israel can act on that.

The Gazans themselves have never really been the problem. Hamas on the other hand has been the problem since their inception in 1987. The last big row in 2008-2014 Hamas used the Gazans as shields to maximize IDF collateral damage and increase propaganda. You can find a paper on this below. Is a pdf so can’t cut and paste. The summary on the first page has the highlights.

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

rambot said:
But im sure deep down you also know Israel is trying to destroy gazans.

Not really.

rjs330 · 2025-08-06T15:11:41-0500

rambot said:
Ok but they are.
Are you saying poor little Iswael can't deal with does wascally hamas?

Are you saying dealing with a terrorist organization that hides among the people in an urban setting, and has hundreds of miles of tunnels, uses hospitals, schools, homes and ambulances is just wascally and as easy to deal with as a cartoon character?

rambot said:
I have proposed the solution you can't deny would work.

You cant prove thats possible in this situation.

Daniel Carlton · 2025-08-06T15:22:46-0500

Outside of the Jewish community, support for Zionism is only really popular with old white folk. When the boomer generation die out, younger generations will not follow in their footsteps.

rambot · 2025-08-06T16:15:06-0500

rjs330 said:
Are you saying dealing with a terrorist organization that hides among the people in an urban setting, and has hundreds of miles of tunnels, uses hospitals, schools, homes and ambulances is just wascally and as easy to deal with as a cartoon character?

I'm saying that if we believe the given, hairbrainned rationale for Israel's actions, there is in fact, a very easy solution that has rhr added bonus of being the empathetic, humanitarian response that most of rhe adanced world has been calling for.

Bur I contend that is not Israel's true motives and that their current plan is far more obvious because it's based on what is happening on the ground and is supported by some diagusting quotes from the government in power.

rjs330 said:
You cant prove thats possible in this situation.

It's the underlying premise of capitalism. More supply with no change in demand will bring down prices.

Sure we can sit and use our fanciful imaginations of paranoia of how hamas would find a way to make this awful. But those are just justifications for maintaining the status quo...not real argumens about making sure children do not starve.

Prove how it wouldn't drive down food prices if Israel began allowing the full flow of food into Gaza.
Explain how capitalism if it helps gazans is exceptional.

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