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ICE raids Italian restaurant in San Diego; deploys flash bang grenades to disperse the gathered crowd

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I believe they do if you are cuffed or otherwise physically restrained.
ICE did not do anything blatantly illegal as claimed. They can handcuff and question people without a warrant or having to read them their Miranda rights.
ICE doesn't grant Miranda rights, anyway.
That's not what was said originally:
without Mirandizing the suspects it is blatantly illegal.
 
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Those mobile phones look deadly.
Can it be seen for certain that no one in that crowd yelling angrily and giving obscene gestures, was not carrying a concealed weapon? If an angry crowd yelling threats is going towards someone, should that person be concerned for his/her safety?
 
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See the numerous threads in which they are arresting US citizens and legal residents. Legal status seems to have little or nothing to do with who gets arrested.
I'll let them catch and release me, if it means getting more illegals out... I'll gladly pay that price personally.
 
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Can it be seen for certain that no one in that crowd yelling angrily and giving obscene gestures, was not carrying a concealed weapon? If an angry crowd yelling threats is going towards someone, should that person be concerned for his/her safety?
You are asking us if this group of twenty trained federal agents armed with sub-machine guns and wearing bullet proof vests raiding a civilian location should be afraid because there is the off chance one of the citizens using their first amendment right to voice their displeasure with what they see as their governments heavy handed actions just might be carrying a concealed weapon?

Was their any indication of a concealed weapon? I heard no mention of one. certainly nothing is mentioned about one in any news article. Sounds like this is yet another case of something completely made up in fantasy land used as a justification when the real world facts don't measure up.
 
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Yes! Go ICE! Keep up the good work!

Those who are criticizing have no clue what they are talking about.

Do they have some sort of secret knowledge of the intel surrounding this raid? I am going to guess no.
We just hope they do.
 
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In Germany? Yes, but not to the extent of the USA. For most occassions, 5 % is already an acceptable tip.
I prefer to tip people working. Instead of America people, that aren't not doing anything . But begging on the street. I know in CA. They have plenty of help for the homeless. They rather stay homeless. So, they don't have to have rules.
 
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Also I'd like to see someone who's knowledgeable about ICE procedures explain how it was supposed to be conducted, as opposed to armature armchair spitballing.
#1: 'Get creative'
#2: 'push the envelope'
and
#3: by all means please use handcuffs.

US immigration officers ordered to arrest more people even without warrants

Exclusive: Ice officers told to get ‘creative’ with arrests, including of undocumented people encountered by chance

Senior US immigration officials over the weekend instructed rank-and-file officers to “turn the creative knob up to 11” when it comes to enforcement, including by interviewing and potentially arresting people they called “collaterals”, according to internal agency emails viewed by the Guardian.

Officers were also urged to increase apprehensions and think up tactics to “push the envelope” one email said, with staff encouraged to come up with new ways of increasing arrests and suggesting them to superiors.

“If it involves handcuffs on wrists, it’s probably worth pursuing,” another message said.

The emails, sent by two top Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officials this past Saturday, instructed officers around the country to increase arrest numbers over the weekend.

ETA: ‘What do you mean you’re going after criminals?’

Stephen Miller has set his sights on new targets to find undocumented migrants: Home Depot and 7-Eleven

An ERO official said during the meeting that the Department of Homeland Security and the White House had argued publicly that they were going after criminal illegal immigrants and that ICE was targeting them, not illegal immigrants in general.

“Miller said, ‘What do you mean you’re going after criminals?’

Stephen Miller wants everybody arrested. ‘Why aren’t you at Home Depot? Why aren’t you at 7-Eleven?'” the official added, recounting what happened.
 
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#1: 'Get creative'
#2: 'push the envelope'
and
#3: by all means please use handcuffs.

US immigration officers ordered to arrest more people even without warrants

Exclusive: Ice officers told to get ‘creative’ with arrests, including of undocumented people encountered by chance

Senior US immigration officials over the weekend instructed rank-and-file officers to “turn the creative knob up to 11” when it comes to enforcement, including by interviewing and potentially arresting people they called “collaterals”, according to internal agency emails viewed by the Guardian.

Officers were also urged to increase apprehensions and think up tactics to “push the envelope” one email said, with staff encouraged to come up with new ways of increasing arrests and suggesting them to superiors.

“If it involves handcuffs on wrists, it’s probably worth pursuing,” another message said.

The emails, sent by two top Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officials this past Saturday, instructed officers around the country to increase arrest numbers over the weekend.

ETA: ‘What do you mean you’re going after criminals?’

Stephen Miller has set his sights on new targets to find undocumented migrants: Home Depot and 7-Eleven

An ERO official said during the meeting that the Department of Homeland Security and the White House had argued publicly that they were going after criminal illegal immigrants and that ICE was targeting them, not illegal immigrants in general.

“Miller said, ‘What do you mean you’re going after criminals?’

Stephen Miller wants everybody arrested. ‘Why aren’t you at Home Depot? Why aren’t you at 7-Eleven?'” the official added, recounting what happened.
Top notch boogeyman stuff there.
 
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You are asking us if this group of twenty trained federal agents armed with sub-machine guns and wearing bullet proof vests raiding a civilian location should be afraid because there is the off chance one of the citizens using their first amendment right to voice their displeasure with what they see as their governments heavy handed actions just might be carrying a concealed weapon?

Was their any indication of a concealed weapon? I heard no mention of one. certainly nothing is mentioned about one in any news article. Sounds like this is yet another case of something completely made up in fantasy land used as a justification when the real world facts don't measure up.
If there's a lot of people to detain a lot of officers on the scene is normal when it comes to law enforcement agencies across the nation. When dealing with hostile crowd forming they call in for reinforcements to provide crowd control. That's always been standard operating procedure.
 
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If there's a lot of people to detain a lot of officers on the scene is normal when it comes to law enforcement agencies across the nation. When dealing with hostile crowd forming they call in for reinforcements to provide crowd control. That's always been standard operating procedure.
According to whom?
 
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According to whom?
Bodycam and news footage of law enforcement dealing with large groups. Or even small groups. Or even one person. There's plenty of footage of numerous cops on the scene to deal with just one person.
 
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Bodycam and news footage of law enforcement dealing with large groups. Or even small groups. Or even one person. There's plenty of footage of numerous cops on the scene to deal with just one person.
Such authority, much wow.
 
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My comment was based on observing numerous detainments via bodycam and news footage. What specific authority are you looking for?
When the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, they were much criticized by the Right for just that kind of thing.
 
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Just a little update on this sidebar. Sheriffs don't like it.

Noem’s Sanctuary City List Backfires —DHS Forced to Remove It After Law Enforcement Revolt

“The list violated the core principles of trust, cooperation, and partnership with fellow law enforcement,” the National Sheriffs’ Association said. “This decision by DHS could create a vacuum of trust that may take years to overcome.”
Another update. The list is back, but a lot shorter. San Diego County [tying in to the OP] is on it, but LA County is not.

Justice Department releases a new list of sanctuary jurisdictions.

The Department of Justice published a new list Tuesday of “sanctuary” jurisdictions that it claims have policies, laws or regulations that obstruct enforcement of federal immigration laws.

Although the list includes the Trump administration’s typical targets — the city of Los Angeles and the state of California — it is much shorter than a previous list issued by the Department of Homeland Security. And at least one local area that has become a major battleground over immigration is not on it: L.A. County.

The previous Homeland Security list, which included most of California’s 58 counties, sparked ridicule for its errors. It even included the conservative city of Huntington Beach, which declared itself a nonsanctuary city a few days after Trump took office and sued the state of California over its sanctuary policies.
 
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