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China is winning the trade war Trump started

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In January, President Donald Trump declared trade war on China. It gives me no pleasure to report that China — a ruthless anti-American dictatorship — is winning. But the evidence is inescapable.​
You can see it in the economic numbers: China’s economy grew by an average of 5.3 percent in the first half of the year, America’s by only 1.25 percent. You can see it, too, in Trump’s failure to wring significant concessions from Beijing. While most countries have acquiesced to U.S. trade bullying, China has not. In April, Trump hiked U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 145 percent. China retaliated with 125 percent tariffs on U.S. goods. Then President Xi Jinping ramped up the pressure by restricting exports of rare earth metals to the United States, threatening to halt production of everything from cars to fighter jets.​
Trump had to back down, agreeing to cut U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 30 percent, while Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods were reduced to 10 percent. Tariffs remain frozen at those levels despite several rounds of Washington-Beijing talks. Trump tried to market this agreement as a “historic trade win,” but it was simply a truce. It did nothing to address long-standing U.S. complaints about China’s dumping of products on the world market, theft of intellectual property and other offenses.​
There are other ways Trump is inadvertently helping China included in the article.

Trump’s attempts to close down Voice of America are another gift to Beijing. From Indonesia to Nigeria, Chinese state media is filling the vacuum left behind by VOA. Trump’s decision to walk away from the World Health Organization and UNESCO has also opened the door for China to increase its influence in those international organizations.....​
China already leads the United States in most frontier technologies, including batteries, solar panels, electric vehicles, drones, advanced optical communication systems, machine learning and high-performance computing. Trump’s tariffs will do nothing to reverse these trends, while his cutbacks to R&D spending and restrictions on foreign students will only accelerate them.​
Trump's other trade agreements with our Pacific allies only gets vague promises of investing in the US, but no firm commitments from business come with that.

China is gaining in trade and influence. The US has worked for decades to draw India in the US sphere of influence, but now China is gaining in India.

US allies felt that Trump's manner of handling the trade deals was humiliating. That is going to have a negative effect.
 

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Then President Xi Jinping ramped up the pressure by restricting exports of rare earth metals to the United States, threatening to halt production of everything from cars to fighter jets.

China Is Choking Supply of Critical Minerals to Western Defense Companies

Beijing’s tightened controls are a sign of the leverage it has over the U.S. military supply chain​

China is limiting the flow of critical minerals to Western defense manufacturers, delaying production and forcing companies to scour the world for stockpiles of the minerals needed to make everything from bullets to jet fighters.

MSN version of WSJ article
 
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The world is a big place. If China...or S. Korea...or Japan...or Germany....or France, etc. can get all the markets for their exports they want from friendlier countries led by wise and stable leaders why in the world would they want to deal with the U.S.?

And as Fareed Zakaria noted, 80% of our economy is service-based, not product-based, and you can't export "service."
 
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In January, President Donald Trump declared trade war on China. It gives me no pleasure to report that China — a ruthless anti-American dictatorship — is winning. But the evidence is inescapable.​
You can see it in the economic numbers: China’s economy grew by an average of 5.3 percent in the first half of the year, America’s by only 1.25 percent. You can see it, too, in Trump’s failure to wring significant concessions from Beijing. While most countries have acquiesced to U.S. trade bullying, China has not. In April, Trump hiked U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 145 percent. China retaliated with 125 percent tariffs on U.S. goods. Then President Xi Jinping ramped up the pressure by restricting exports of rare earth metals to the United States, threatening to halt production of everything from cars to fighter jets.​
Trump had to back down, agreeing to cut U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 30 percent, while Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods were reduced to 10 percent. Tariffs remain frozen at those levels despite several rounds of Washington-Beijing talks. Trump tried to market this agreement as a “historic trade win,” but it was simply a truce. It did nothing to address long-standing U.S. complaints about China’s dumping of products on the world market, theft of intellectual property and other offenses.​
There are other ways Trump is inadvertently helping China included in the article.

Trump’s attempts to close down Voice of America are another gift to Beijing. From Indonesia to Nigeria, Chinese state media is filling the vacuum left behind by VOA. Trump’s decision to walk away from the World Health Organization and UNESCO has also opened the door for China to increase its influence in those international organizations.....​
China already leads the United States in most frontier technologies, including batteries, solar panels, electric vehicles, drones, advanced optical communication systems, machine learning and high-performance computing. Trump’s tariffs will do nothing to reverse these trends, while his cutbacks to R&D spending and restrictions on foreign students will only accelerate them.​
Trump's other trade agreements with our Pacific allies only gets vague promises of investing in the US, but no firm commitments from business come with that.

China is gaining in trade and influence. The US has worked for decades to draw India in the US sphere of influence, but now China is gaining in India.

US allies felt that Trump's manner of handling the trade deals was humiliating. That is going to have a negative effect.
It's almost as if he was doing it on purpose. I can't imagine what he thinks the endgame will be. All I see is the rest of the world going on without us.
 
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In January, President Donald Trump declared trade war on China. It gives me no pleasure to report that China — a ruthless anti-American dictatorship — is winning. But the evidence is inescapable.​
You can see it in the economic numbers: China’s economy grew by an average of 5.3 percent in the first half of the year, America’s by only 1.25 percent. You can see it, too, in Trump’s failure to wring significant concessions from Beijing. While most countries have acquiesced to U.S. trade bullying, China has not. In April, Trump hiked U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 145 percent. China retaliated with 125 percent tariffs on U.S. goods. Then President Xi Jinping ramped up the pressure by restricting exports of rare earth metals to the United States, threatening to halt production of everything from cars to fighter jets.​
Trump had to back down, agreeing to cut U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods to 30 percent, while Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods were reduced to 10 percent. Tariffs remain frozen at those levels despite several rounds of Washington-Beijing talks. Trump tried to market this agreement as a “historic trade win,” but it was simply a truce. It did nothing to address long-standing U.S. complaints about China’s dumping of products on the world market, theft of intellectual property and other offenses.​
There are other ways Trump is inadvertently helping China included in the article.

Trump’s attempts to close down Voice of America are another gift to Beijing. From Indonesia to Nigeria, Chinese state media is filling the vacuum left behind by VOA. Trump’s decision to walk away from the World Health Organization and UNESCO has also opened the door for China to increase its influence in those international organizations.....​
China already leads the United States in most frontier technologies, including batteries, solar panels, electric vehicles, drones, advanced optical communication systems, machine learning and high-performance computing. Trump’s tariffs will do nothing to reverse these trends, while his cutbacks to R&D spending and restrictions on foreign students will only accelerate them.​
Trump's other trade agreements with our Pacific allies only gets vague promises of investing in the US, but no firm commitments from business come with that.

China is gaining in trade and influence. The US has worked for decades to draw India in the US sphere of influence, but now China is gaining in India.

US allies felt that Trump's manner of handling the trade deals was humiliating. That is going to have a negative effect.
It's an interesting opinion piece - let's revisit in six months

As for other trade agreement with out Pacific allies:

Trump announces a US trade deal with Vietnam


The 20% tariff is double the current minimum tariff rate the US is charging on goods from Vietnam and virtually every other country.​
“In return, Vietnam will do something that they have never done before, give the United States of America TOTAL ACCESS to their Markets for Trade,” he added. “In other words, they will ‘OPEN THEIR MARKET TO THE UNITED STATES,’ meaning that, we will be able to sell our product into Vietnam at ZERO Tariff.”

Trump announces trade agreement with South Korea ahead of August 1 tariff deadline


Among the $350 billion fund, $150 billion will be dedicated to shipbuilding cooperation, supporting Korean companies’ entry into the US shipbuilding industry, Lee said. The rest will go to semiconductors, secondary batteries, biologics and energy.​
The new tariff of 15%, however, is still higher than the 10% minimum tariff South Korea’s and dozens of other nations’ goods have faced since April.​
 
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The world is a big place. If China...or

S. Korea...
Already signed a trade agreement
or Japan...
Already signed a trade agreement
or Germany...
already signed a trade agreement - under the EU
.or France, etc. can get all the markets for their exports they want from friendlier countries led by wise and stable leaders why in the world would they want to deal with the U.S.?
They are all dealing with the US and Trump's trade agreements
And as Fareed Zakaria noted, 80% of our economy is service-based, not product-based, and you can't export "service."
Here's a breakdown of the U.S. economy by sector as of 2025, based on the latest data from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis and economic outlook reports

U.S. Economy by Sector (2025)

1. Technology and Innovation

  • Key Drivers: AI, cloud computing, cybersecurity
  • Major Players: Apple, Google, Microsoft
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.5 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: Strong, driven by digital transformation and innovation

2. Healthcare

  • Key Drivers: Aging population, telemedicine, precision medicine
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.1 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: High, with increasing demand for services and innovation

3. Financial Services

  • Includes: Banking, insurance, investment services
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.8 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: Stable, with a focus on digital transformation and compliance

4. Renewable Energy

  • Key Drivers: Solar, wind, hydroelectric power
  • Growth Rate: CAGR of 12.3% (2022–2025)
  • Policy Goal: 50% carbon emissions reduction by 2030

5. Retail and E-commerce

  • Trends: Continued shift to online shopping
  • Growth Outlook: Strong, especially in logistics and digital platforms

6. Manufacturing and Goods-Producing Industries

  • Q1 2025 Performance: -2.8% decrease in real value added
  • Challenges: Global supply chain issues, automation

7. Services-Producing Industries

  • Q1 2025 Performance: -0.3% decrease in real value added
  • Includes: Professional services, hospitality, education

8. Government Sector

  • Q1 2025 Performance: +2.0% increase in real value added
  • Role: Infrastructure, public services, defense
 
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6. Manufacturing and Goods-Producing Industries

  • Q1 2025 Performance: -2.8% decrease in real value added
  • Challenges: Global supply chain issues, automation

And bad management.
 
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The 20% tariff is double the current minimum tariff rate the US is charging on goods from Vietnam and virtually every other country.“In return, Vietnam will do something that they have never done before, give the United States of America TOTAL ACCESS to their Markets for Trade,” he added. “In other words, they will ‘OPEN THEIR MARKET TO THE UNITED STATES,’ meaning that, we will be able to sell our product into Vietnam at ZERO Tariff.”

Sounds like a good deal for Vietnamese consumers.
OTH, American business/consumers will be absorbing a 20% tariff on imports....should we be happy?
 
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So far doom and gloom predictions regarding tariffs haven't panned out. If the Democrats keep saying how awful tariffs are going to be for the US, and that turns out to be wrong, they'll have ended up digging themselves into an even deeper hole.
 
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So far doom and gloom predictions regarding tariffs haven't panned out. If the Democrats keep saying how awful tariffs are going to be for the US, and that turns out to be wrong, they'll have ended up digging themselves into an even deeper hole.

I'll take that bet. If I lose, I'll have lots of company, including every President since the end of WW2. For over 70 years, the United States has pushed the world to lower trade barriers....that is until Donald Trump came along. Somehow, he's convinced a minority of Americans that paying more taxes on that shirt made in Viet Nam is a good thing.

 
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So far doom and gloom predictions regarding tariffs haven't panned out.

The US economy is still living on the momentum of 2023-2024 and front-loading activity to avoid tariffs.

If the Democrats keep saying how awful tariffs are going to be for the US, and that turns out to be wrong, they'll have ended up digging themselves into an even deeper hole.

There are lots of forward indicators - consumer confidence, PMI, leisure bookings, various trade metrics - that are trending down. It's not disastrous, but the outlook is a lot less rosy than it was 12 months ago.
 
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The US economy is still living on the momentum of 2023-2024 and front-loading activity to avoid tariffs.



There are lots of forward indicators - consumer confidence, PMI, leisure bookings, various trade metrics - that are trending down. It's not disastrous, but the outlook is a lot less rosy than it was 12 months ago.
The Democrats had better hope it doesn't get rosy considering the usual doom and gloom predictions they're dishing out. Or is it that they're backpedaling, like they've done with end of the world climate change predictions, and now saying 'well it won't be all that bad after all'?
 
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I'll take that bet. If I lose, I'll have lots of company, including every President since the end of WW2. For over 70 years, the United States has pushed the world to lower trade barriers....that is until Donald Trump came along. Somehow, he's convinced a minority of Americans that paying more taxes on that shirt made in Viet Nam is a good thing.

Are conditions the same now as they were back in the 1980s?
 
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The Democrats had better hope it doesn't get rosy considering the usual doom and gloom predictions they're dishing out. Or is it that they're backpedaling, like they've done with end of the world climate change predictions, and now saying 'well it won't be all that bad after all'?
Nobody is backpedaling on climate change predictions and there is even some evidence that things are worse than predicted. I hope predictions about tariffs are wrong, but when I see them being used to settle political scores (as in our tariff on Brazil) I am not confident.
 
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Sounds like a good deal for Vietnamese consumers.
OTH, American business/consumers will be absorbing a 20% tariff on imports....should we be happy?

Over half of Vietnamese people earn under $500 USD monthly and can’t afford to purchase American products. Expanding U.S. market access to Vietnam is unlikely to have significant effects, as the trade primarily benefits Vietnam. American consumers will pay about 20% more for Vietnamese goods.
 
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Already signed a trade agreement

Already signed a trade agreement

already signed a trade agreement - under the EU

They are all dealing with the US and Trump's trade agreements

Here's a breakdown of the U.S. economy by sector as of 2025, based on the latest data from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis and economic outlook reports

U.S. Economy by Sector (2025)

1. Technology and Innovation

  • Key Drivers: AI, cloud computing, cybersecurity
  • Major Players: Apple, Google, Microsoft
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.5 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: Strong, driven by digital transformation and innovation

2. Healthcare

  • Key Drivers: Aging population, telemedicine, precision medicine
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.1 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: High, with increasing demand for services and innovation

3. Financial Services

  • Includes: Banking, insurance, investment services
  • Estimated Market Size: ~$2.8 trillion
  • Growth Outlook: Stable, with a focus on digital transformation and compliance

4. Renewable Energy

  • Key Drivers: Solar, wind, hydroelectric power
  • Growth Rate: CAGR of 12.3% (2022–2025)
  • Policy Goal: 50% carbon emissions reduction by 2030

5. Retail and E-commerce

  • Trends: Continued shift to online shopping
  • Growth Outlook: Strong, especially in logistics and digital platforms

6. Manufacturing and Goods-Producing Industries

  • Q1 2025 Performance: -2.8% decrease in real value added
  • Challenges: Global supply chain issues, automation

7. Services-Producing Industries

  • Q1 2025 Performance: -0.3% decrease in real value added
  • Includes: Professional services, hospitality, education

8. Government Sector

  • Q1 2025 Performance: +2.0% increase in real value added
  • Role: Infrastructure, public services, defense

Are you sure Japan , S Korea and EU signed trade agreement?.
 
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