Epstein-Barr

...no, not the virus, the odd connection between Jeffrey Epstein and William Barr.

Before anyone pounces and suggests this is delving into "conspiracy theory" realm, this is merely meant to point out the odd web of connections that exist with this whole case.


Donald Barr (William Barr's father, and headmaster of a prestigious school (Dalton)) hired Epstein to be a math and physics teacher (despite Epstein being a college drop-out) -- he was subsequently fired after a year, some say due to poor performance, others say due to inappropriate conduct pertaining to female students. -- that hiring decision was already an odd choice given that the headmaster of one of the most prestigious schools would've had his pick of the litter for math teachers, a 21 year old drop out is a odd choice.

Members of the Dalton School administration and a few student's parents helped Epstein get connected with “Ace” Greenberg, an executive at Bear Stearns (where he worked in the capacity of helping rich people hide their money) -- I know, sounds odd that a guy who's a college drop out with no experience apart from being a recently-fired math teacher with 1 year experience would get hired for such a position.

He was subsequently fired from Bear Sterns after irregularities and violations of firm policies

Despite being fired from there, an executive from that firm put him in contact with British arms dealer Douglas Leese (injecting him into elite Euro-circles -- one of which being, Robert Maxwell -- a media mogul with links to arms networks that worked with the Mossad -- whose daughter happens to be the woman sitting in prison right now).

Leese also made introductions between him Saudi arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi (if that name sounds familiar, it's because he's the uncle of Jamal Khashoggi -- the reporter who was killed at the embassy)

Adnan Khashoggi and Robert Maxwell were close business associates (and possibly more, given that he & Robert gave each other yachts (The Khashoggi gifted one that Maxwell ended up naming Lady Ghislaine, while Adnan received got called Nabila, which he later to sold to none other than Donald Trump)

Both Khashoggi and Maxwell had links to the Iran-contra scandal, during a time when William Barr held a senior post in the justice department, and just so happened to be advocating against congress having greater oversight over the CIA. (and then later was the guy who advised George HW Bush to pardon people involved in it)


Fast forward a few years, William Barr is the guy declaring Jeffrey Epstein's death a suicide before the investigation is even over, and Robert Maxwell died under mysterious circumstances on his yacht.

...oh and his father Donald Barr wrote a sci-fi novel involving a guy who sexually exploited girls with a female accomplice that's eerily similar to Epstein's story.





Again, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the connections in this whole web are extraordinary and the "what are the odds" factor has to be a billion to 1 in this whole thing.

Always in His Presence said:

Proof?

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Not sure which part in particular you're looking for...

But as far as William Barr's father being the one to hire Epstein at that school (and him being a drop-out, and fired pretty early in his tenure)


As far as the "connections" he made at the school leading to his job at Bear Sterns

As far as is dismissal from Bear Sterns

As far as former business associates putting him in contact with Leese:

As far as that connection putting him in contact with Robert Maxwell

Robert Maxwell and Adnan Khashoggi being connected

The connections to Iran Contra


As far as William Barr's dad's book...


Barr declaring Epstein's death a suicide before the investigation was over, and the fact that he was advocating against congressional oversight of the CIA and pardoning conspirators during the Iran Contra affair are both well documented.

I figured this one would get more conversing going on

johansen said:

https://mileswmathis.com/amend.pdf

Miles thinks its all fake. I tend to believe him. Lets say you are prince andrew. You can legally get them at age 14 in half a dozen countries, and 16 in 33 more countries.

How stupid do you have to be to get caught in florida?

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Wait, is this the same Miles Mathis who thinks he's a prophet? (and rejects the use of 0 in mathematics, and thinks he's found replacements for particle physics, quantum mechanics, and claims that he's recalculated and the real value of Pi is 4 and not 3.14159…etc... ?


Not to attack the source because of other quackery he engages in, but even the assertion he's making about Prince Andrew doesn't hold up logically.

"Because you can get them at age 14 in some countries, why would he risk getting caught in Florida" ignores a lot of human elements that we know to exist based on other cases.

1) People in positions of power are accustomed being "above the law", and thus, don't make the same sort of risk calculations most people do.

Case in Point: Those massive cocaine parties that bands and celebs used to have in the 80's in NYC and LA. Why would they risk doing it there vs using their money to book a flight to Peru, Bolivia, or Columbia where there was little to no enforcement?


2) Other celebrities and influential people have been photographed with their "less than 18 companions" numerous times. Roman Polanski was photographed "under 18 conquests" multiple times.


3) Laws of a person's native country still govern their conduct (on that topic) abroad....so "there's this other country where 14 was legal, why didn't he just go there" is a non-starter anyway. Hence the reason the FBI arrests people if it's uncovered that they were travelling overseas for sex with a person designated as a minor by US standards.


4) If someone is looking to do something illegal, they're going to go with a familiar "source" in a "venue among friends". Hence, going to a high-society party in Florida with "kindred spirits" would be the more likely route for him than booking a flight to some random third world country and approaching strangers saying "Hello, where can I find some 14 year olds?"

For example, if I wanted to try crack (I never would, but just pretend), if I knew a crack dealer who I thought of as a friend here in Ohio, I'd be going to his house (despite it being heavily criminalized in Ohio) before I'd be booking a flight to Portugal where they've decimalized all drugs, and hoping to bump into a stranger to "hook me up"

This introduces some new wrinkles pertaining to whether or not all of the details line up with what Barr's official report listed.

Say it aint so said:

Everything Epstein when it comes to giving him breaks and looking the other way, always comes up GOP.
It was GOP U.S. attorney for Southern District of Florida Alex Acosta who illegally came to a sweetheart deal replete with immunity with Epstein; without the knowledge of Epstein's victims. That Alex Acosta later became Trump's Labor Secretary.
One would think the then Florida AG would be interested in the sex trafficking and pedophile actions of Epstein taking place in their state, but no. Who was that Florida AG? That's right, Pam Bondi. She later went on to become the Trump's Attorney General.
What's the MAGA hat conspiracy come pedophiles? It's rampant among the elite and the elite are protecting them.
Weird.

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I think some of the connections he had are one that transcend any one national political party.

The reporter from the Daily Beast (Vicky Ward) still stands by their reporting that Acosta said he was told to "leave it alone" and that was the reason for the "sweetheart deal" that was offered up.

If he was rubbing shoulders with guys like Robert Maxwell and the Khashoggi family, those were some sharks that "swim in a bigger ocean" than either of our political parties and likely don't answer to the same "chain of command" or follow the same "political patterns" we're typically used to seeing.

durangodawood said:

Glad to see Iran-Contra rearing its ugly head here. People have forgotten how much that scandal stank.

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With all the high profile and people that seemed to exist in his web of connections (or only separated by one degree), it would make for a rather interesting party game.

You know that website that was the "7 degree of Bacon" where you try to see if you find an actor who's 7 degrees removed from Kevin Bacon? (and how it's nearly impossible)

One could almost make the same sort of thing with high profile people and Epstein.

durangodawood said:

Sure, many connections. The one that really counts is the big man himself who is of course only 1 degree of separation away.

What did he mean “....and may every day be another wonderful secret.” ? Probably just innocent nothings Im sure.

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The Journal reports that about five dozen people contributed to the Epstein birthday book, including billionaire Leon Black, fashion giant Vera Wang, attorney Alan Dershowitz, and media tycoon Mort Zuckerman. Wang's entry joked that Epstein should go on the reality show The Bachelor, while Black wrote a poem that included the lines: "Blonde, Red or Brunette, spread out geographically / With this net of fish, Jeff's now 'The Old Man and The Sea.'"

All said and done, the following high profile names were on the birthday card (Source: Axios via Perplexity)



I think people need to stop thinking of Epstein merely as a toxic political football that they can punt over to the other team's half of the field to prove a point.

To say: "The only one that really counts is the highest profile person I can find from the other team" is missing the forest for the trees.

For the last 18 months, it's been nothing but conservatives posting pics of "Here's Epstein and Clinton hanging out", and progressives posting pics of "Here's Epstein and Trump palling around"...

The reality is, if you comb the list above, you'll see a broad mix, and some who donate heavily to both, and even one that's a member of the UK Labour party.




To use another "crime comparison"

It would be like people trying to make El Chapo or Pablo Escobar fit into one side of the "bloods vs crips" discussion here in the US (based on the fact you can likely cherry-pick instances where their organizations distributed 'product' both at various points in time), when the reality is, guys like them existed in an ecosystem/world that transcended the whole "bloods vs. crips" thing.

So to analogize this:
The republicans and democrats are "crips vs. bloods", Epstein was running with the Chapos/Escobars.