Canadian cities keep revoking MAGA singer’s performance permits

ThatRobGuy · Thursday at 5:52 PM

Canadian cities keep revoking MAGA singer’s performance permits

Jurisdictions have cited community protest and public safety concerns for cancelations, while musician says his free speech is being limited and country has bias against religious people

www.independent.co.uk

I'm not familiar with this particular musician, but simply yanking the permits for people who the "in-power" local politicians don't agree with isn't a particularly good look for Canada (and may actually damage the perception of liberal people more broadly since conservatives already have the "libs are anti free speech" talking points in full effect, this just bolsters that argument)

GoldenBoy89 · Thursday at 6:24 PM

We’re pulling visas from people living, working and attending university in the US for simply voicing support for Palestine.

We are in no position to talk down to any country at the moment for how they treat their visitors.

BCP1928 · Thursday at 9:42 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
Canadian cities keep revoking MAGA singer’s performance permits

Jurisdictions have cited community protest and public safety concerns for cancelations, while musician says his free speech is being limited and country has bias against religious people

www.independent.co.uk

I'm not familiar with this particular musician, but simply yanking the permits for people who the "in-power" local politicians don't agree with isn't a particularly good look for Canada (and may actually damage the perception of liberal people more broadly since conservatives already have the "libs are anti free speech" talking points in full effect, this just bolsters that argument)

Perhaps, but Feucht is a rignt-wing religious extremist, a Dominionist and a member of the New Apostolic Reformation. It is questionable whether he would be considered a Christian by the rules of this forum, for instance. For him to describe his views as 'Christian' might well be offensive to many Canadians, especially in Quebec which is still largely Roman Catholic. Given his political activism, I think it is possible that he is just trolling them.

RocksInMyHead · Thursday at 10:08 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
Canadian cities keep revoking MAGA singer’s performance permits

Jurisdictions have cited community protest and public safety concerns for cancelations, while musician says his free speech is being limited and country has bias against religious people

www.independent.co.uk

I'm not familiar with this particular musician, but simply yanking the permits for people who the "in-power" local politicians don't agree with isn't a particularly good look for Canada (and may actually damage the perception of liberal people more broadly since conservatives already have the "libs are anti free speech" talking points in full effect, this just bolsters that argument)

1. Reading the article, in at least some cases, the permits are being pulled because the city didn't know that he would be performing, and they anticipate additional security concerns during his performance. I feel like that's a pretty valid reason to cancel a show. The permit is granted based on assumptions about the resources required for similar events. Adding a performer who brings with him significantly greater risk of security issues means that the city will have to dedicate more resources towards maintaining order and public safety - resources that may not be available because their need wasn't anticipated at this event.

2. Canada's laws on freedom of expression are not as expansive as those of the US. Hate speech, obscenity, and speech that incites violence or threatens public safety are not protected.

loveofourlord · Thursday at 10:41 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
We’re pulling visas from people living, working and attending university in the US for simply voicing support for Palestine.

We are in no position to talk down to any country at the moment for how they treat their visitors.

come on when others do it, it's vile evil, when the right does it it's a genius move, get with it

ThatRobGuy · Friday at 7:10 AM

RocksInMyHead said:
1. Reading the article, in at least some cases, the permits are being pulled because the city didn't know that he would be performing, and they anticipate additional security concerns during his performance. I feel like that's a pretty valid reason to cancel a show. The permit is granted based on assumptions about the resources required for similar events. Adding a performer who brings with him significantly greater risk of security issues means that the city will have to dedicate more resources towards maintaining order and public safety - resources that may not be available because their need wasn't anticipated at this event.

2. Canada's laws on freedom of expression are not as expansive as those of the US. Hate speech, obscenity, and speech that incites violence or threatens public safety are not protected.

If you consider what the implications of that rationale are...it's not a flattering one to their position.

What I mean by that is:

If his performing is going to require an elevated amount of security (as they say) for the venue, that means either:
A) he has a lot of fans up there (something a lot of Canadians up there would want to deny and/or downplay)
or
B) there are concerns about people on the side his opposite being interested in showing up and engaging in violence and property damage

Otherwise, why would you need elevated security?

If his views aren't terribly popular up there, and the opposing side doesn't have a propensity for escalation, then one would expect that the shows would be nothing more than this guy:

...cranking out some watered down soft-rock with Christian themes at a county fairground in front of 200 people. (mostly middle-aged housewives)

RocksInMyHead · Friday at 8:27 AM

ThatRobGuy said:
If you consider what the implications of that rationale are...it's not a flattering one to their position.

What I mean by that is:

If his performing is going to require an elevated amount of security (as they say) for the venue, that means either:
A) he has a lot of fans up there (something a lot of Canadians up there would want to deny and/or downplay)

It doesn't take "a lot" of fans to cause problems. If you plan for 1000 people and 10,000 people show up, there's going to be a major issue. Heck, if 2000 people show up, it'll be a problem. It's pretty well established that this particular demographic has a propensity to show up in disproportionate numbers to support its champions.

ThatRobGuy said:
or
B) there are concerns about people on the side his opposite being interested in showing up and engaging in violence and property damage

If a large additional crowd shows up, violent or not, additional security is needed.

The article doesn't say which scenario they anticipate (could even be both), but it doesn't really matter - as I said, if the event is significantly larger than anticipated, for whatever reason, there will be logistical concerns. Security, facilities, traffic, sanitation, etc.

ThatRobGuy said:
...cranking out some watered down soft-rock with Christian themes at a county fairground in front of 200 people. (mostly middle-aged housewives)

Don't be disingenuous. You and I both know that he's going to do more than just play music. Have you ever known an artist with strong political or social views to not interject them into their set?

ThatRobGuy · Friday at 8:41 AM

RocksInMyHead said:
Don't be disingenuous. You and I both know that he's going to do more than just play music. Have you ever known an artist with strong political or social views to not interject them into their set?

From a Nova Scotia show...

I'm certainly not going to sit through the whole thing because the music isn't what I would call "good" by any stretch lol

But as I skip around in the video to the various talking parts, I'm not seeing anything wildly out of sorts with what I would expect from the "worship concert" genre (albeit, my experience with that genre would be limited for obvious reasons)

From my estimation, this basically looks like if Vince Gill went to Sammy Hagar's hair stylist.

And the crowds/demographics that show up don't exactly give off the "start a riot and light a dumpster on fire" vibe.

I'm seeing a lot of older people, and middle-aged folks there with their kids (who look unenthused, and probably got dragged their by their parents when they'd rather have stayed home and played video games)

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