Dismantling Judeo-Christian values in America

Michie said:

Did the founders of America intend for God to be banished from the public arena?

The idea occurs so regularly in modern times that we tend to think it’s what the founders wanted. For example, recently, a law allowing the posting of the Ten Commandments in Louisiana schools has been blocked as unconstitutional (for the moment) by a court.

Yet one early American politician had the temerity to write and do the following:

• 1807. He wrote that “the councils of the General Government in their decisions … [were drawn from] the … precepts of the Gospel.”
• 1807. He wrote that “liberty to worship our creator … [is] deemed in other countries incompatible with good government, and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.”
• 1808. He signed an “Act Appointing a Chaplain to Each Brigade of the Army.”
• 1817. He wrote: “Our right to life, liberty … is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of kings.”

Of course, the “King of kings” refers to Jesus.

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Dismantling Judeo-Christian values in America

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Akita Suggagaki said:

What are Judeo-Christian values being dismantled?
Dignity of Human Life:
.Both faiths stress the inherent value and worth of every human being, stemming from the belief that humans are created in the image of God. This principle is reflected in the commandment "You shall not murder" and the concept of loving one's neighbor as oneself.

Importance of Love and Compassion:
.The Golden Rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," is a central tenet in both Judaism and Christianity, highlighting the importance of love, empathy, and treating others with kindness and respect, according to the BYU Religious Studies Center.

Higher Moral Law:
.Both religions believe in a divine law that serves as a foundation for human laws and morality. This belief in a higher law underpins concepts like natural law, which suggests that certain rights and moral principles are inherent and not dependent on human creation.

Concept of Justice and Fairness:
.Judaism and Christianity both emphasize the importance of justice, fairness, and treating all individuals equitably. These concepts are often reflected in legal codes and ethical guidelines within each faith.


Well, we have never been perfect in any of these but I think we have made progress. At least we no longer condone slavery.


When I hear or see "Judeo-Christian values" what comes to mind is justice, care for the poor, hospitality and love.

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Grafted In said:

In my opinion based on my interpretation of Scripture on the whole, governments and their policies are established by none other than God, Himself.
We abide in His Kingdome and no earthly power can touch that.
I think it was wrong for our early founders to try to establish a "Christian" nation.
He blesses us according to our own, personal relationship with Him and where we abide has no part.
That's the world.

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A New Dawn said:

Our founders weren’t trying to establish a Christian nation, that was the whole point of not being under British rule, to escape having a national religion. The founding fathers unanimously agreed (even the atheist among them) that there needed to be a higher power’s moral code to base our justice system on (since each person has a different moral code of their own (or none at all)), and they looked at all the religions that claimed to have a higher power’s moral code to see what kind of moral/justice system it had to see how fair it was to people of all/no religions, and Christianity’s moral stance was what they determined was fairest for all people and religions. That doesn’t mean it is a Christian nation, just that it creates the fairest justice system.

I know that people point at the flaws of people who call themselves Christian and use that to demonstrate how bad Christianity is, but that’s an inaccurate way to look at it because all people are flawed. Only Christ was perfect. That is the core concept of Christianity, it’s how you seek to improve yourself to be more Christ-centered that the founding fathers found to be a favorable concept to base the justice system on.

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Michie said:

Did the founders of America intend for God to be banished from the public arena?

The idea occurs so regularly in modern times that we tend to think it’s what the founders wanted. For example, recently, a law allowing the posting of the Ten Commandments in Louisiana schools has been blocked as unconstitutional (for the moment) by a court.

Yet one early American politician had the temerity to write and do the following:

• 1807. He wrote that “the councils of the General Government in their decisions … [were drawn from] the … precepts of the Gospel.”
• 1807. He wrote that “liberty to worship our creator … [is] deemed in other countries incompatible with good government, and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.”
• 1808. He signed an “Act Appointing a Chaplain to Each Brigade of the Army.”
• 1817. He wrote: “Our right to life, liberty … is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of kings.”

Of course, the “King of kings” refers to Jesus.

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Dismantling Judeo-Christian values in America

Did the founders of America intend for God to be banished from the public arena

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A New Dawn said:

Our founders weren’t trying to establish a Christian nation, that was the whole point of not being under British rule, to escape having a national religion. The founding fathers unanimously agreed (even the atheist among them) that there needed to be a higher power’s moral code to base our justice system on (since each person has a different moral code of their own (or none at all)), and they looked at all the religions that claimed to have a higher power’s moral code to see what kind of moral/justice system it had to see how fair it was to people of all/no religions, and Christianity’s moral stance was what they determined was fairest for all people and religions. That doesn’t mean it is a Christian nation, just that it creates the fairest justice system.

I know that people point at the flaws of people who call themselves Christian and use that to demonstrate how bad Christianity is, but that’s an inaccurate way to look at it because all people are flawed. Only Christ was perfect. That is the core concept of Christianity, it’s how you seek to improve yourself to be more Christ-centered that the founding fathers found to be a favorable concept to base the justice system on.

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

If you aren't creating a Nation that is Christian in nature how can you be surprised at how Christianity has declined within said nation? If the current USA is what thr founders intended (i doubt that) then it isn't worth preserving the current USA on the foundation they established.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I was not aware that the prevalence or decline of Christianity is related to any nation or government . It is my understanding that Christianity is fundamentally based on individual faith and the observance of the teachings of Jesus.

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Christianity had always been a faith of community and I don't think it is controversial to say that the community of faith has been weakened by it's incorporation to the American community.

Do you want America with it's founding ideals preserved?

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

The foundation of Christianity is faith and obedience to Jesus and his teachings. The New Testament and apostolic teachings do not claim that Christianity is based on faith of community; such suggestion is pure false teaching and contradict everything Christianity stands for.

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

So Christianity is not a religion of a community but of individuals radically separated from each other? Where are we taught that the faith stands on individualism in the New Testament and that the Church community is inconsequential?

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Christianity is founded on a single individual, known as the Son of God.

Any other preaching is complete false theology.

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

And how does faith in our Lord spread? Is it not through the community of believers?

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Simple answer Jesus Christ and Holy sprit. He is the author and finisher of faith.

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

If you aren't creating a Nation that is Christian in nature how can you be surprised at how Christianity has declined within said nation? If the current USA is what thr founders intended (i doubt that) then it isn't worth preserving the current USA on the foundation they established.

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A New Dawn said:

That’s a circular argument. I would think the question would be if you have created a nation that is Christian in nature, how could it have declined within said nation. The very fact that Christianity has declined (we are a post-Christian nation) is proof that it was not set up as a Christian nation. It was NEVER meant to be a Christian nation. It was meant to be a nation without a national religion that is open to people of other religious heritages with a justice system based on the religion with the fairest justice system and equal growth for all.

And if the worth of persons and equality for all isn’t an ideal worth preserving, what would you offer as a replacement?

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Ignatius the Kiwi said:

I don't disagree. The USA is a non-Christian country. It therefore isn't worth the Christian investing their effort in preserving the nation as a civic entity. Especially when the USA undermines Christianity within itself and globally.

Now I don't believe i have to offer a replacement. Rather what I would offer is a Christianity which is socially confident in itself and doesn't seek to outsource power to non Christians to rule as they wish. A Christianity confident in itself like thr early Church was, that didnt seek integration with the wider pagan world. This would be a better alternative to the trajectory Christianity finds itself in. Unless you prefer decline.

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