The man with the legion?

Neogaia777 · Saturday at 11:58 PM

I'm going to try to give you some insight into the activity of most demons, and what they are actually out to try and do with most of us, etc, but that sometimes doesn't go exactly according to plan. Let's take the man with the legion, and why Jesus sent them (those demons inhabiting that man) into the pigs, and why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice to die for a minute, and why it was actually an act of compassion upon those demons by Jesus? Jesus sought this man out, the man with the legion, and he didn't do this with hardly anyone else, and made quite the journey/trip out of his way to do it, etc. When a demon, or a group of demons, first makes a decision to target somebody, the first thing they do is get inside the person for what they think is going to be for them (at first) somebody that is going to provide them with a lot of very great fun, and much entertainment, at first anyway, etc, but, when the fun stops being fun or entertaining anymore, then they usually try to get that person to off themselves or die so they can then get released from that person, and go elsewhere to do it with or to somebody else again, etc. Most of the time they are successful with most people and it's not a problem for them, etc. But, every once in a while, they can get stuck there with somebody for a while and then it becomes a torment for them until that person dies, etc, and this is what had happened with the man with the legion, these demons desperately wanted a release from this man by that point, because they couldn't get him to kill himself, and couldn't kill him, etc. Well, Jesus seeks this man out, knowing full well what was going on with; both that man, and the demons in him by that point, etc. Well, when these demons saw Jesus coming they knew exactly who Jesus was, and that he had full authority to send them all into oblivion if he wanted to, etc, and this is why they entreated him, and practically begged Jesus to send them into the pigs instead, and is why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice and died, so that these could finally be released and were free to go elsewhere now after that, etc, finallyget there long sought release from this man that they originally targeted (but greatly underestimated, etc). They knew Jesus wasn't going to kill the man, or let them kill the man (something they had been trying to do with the man, or get that man to do for a very, very long time now, but couldn't) so, anyway, that's why they practically begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs nearby, and Jesus allowed them to do that instead of "something else Jesus could have done to them", etc, and it was actually Jesus having compassion on both them (those demon) and the man that those demons were inhabiting, since it was the man that Jesus was after, etc. Anyway, this is the activity/purposes of most demons with most of us, but it can backfire for them if their attempts to make the person dead after it is no longer fun anymore doesn't succeed fully for them, because once they get in a person, they don't have the power to get released from that person until that person dies, etc, which doesn't always happen always, after which they are the ones that are in torment for a while until that person dies, or until someone like Jesus comes along, and they are able to get released another way, etc, which is what happened with this man with the legion.

God Bless.

Richard T · Sunday at 7:13 PM

Neogaia777 said:
I'm going to try to give some insight into the activity of most demons, and what they are actually out to try and do with most of us, etc, but that sometimes doesn't go exactly according to plan. Let's take the man with the legion, and why Jesus sent them (those demons inhabiting that man) into the pigs, and why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice to die for a minute, and why it was actually an act of compassion upon those demons by Jesus? Jesus sought this man out, the man with the legion, and he didn't do this with hardly anyone else, and made quite the journey/trip out of his way to do it, etc. When a demon, or a group of demons, first makes a decision to target somebody, the first thing they do is get inside the person for what they think is going to be for them (at first) somebody that is going to provide them with a lot of very great fun, and much entertainment, at first anyway, etc, but, when the fun stops being fun or entertaining anymore, then they usually try to get that person to off themselves or die so they can then get released from that person, and go elsewhere to do it with or to somebody else again, etc. Most of the time they are successful with most people and it's not a problem for them, etc. But, every once in a while, they can get stuck there with somebody for a while and then it becomes a torment for them until that person dies, etc, and this is what had happened with the man with the legion, these demons desperately wanted a release from this man by that point, because they couldn't get him to kill himself, and couldn't kill him, etc. Well, Jesus seeks this man out, knowing full well what was going on with; both that man, and the demons in him by that point, etc. Well, when these demons saw Jesus coming they knew exactly who Jesus was, and that he had full authority to send them all into oblivion if he wanted to, etc, and this is why they entreated him, and practically begged Jesus to send them into the pigs instead, and is why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice and died, so that these could finally be released and were free to go elsewhere now after that, etc, finallyget there long sought release from this man that they originally targeted (but greatly underestimated, etc). They knew Jesus wasn't going to kill the man, or let them kill the man (something they had been trying to do with the man, or get that man to do for a very, very long time now, but couldn't) so, anyway, that's why they practically begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs nearby, and Jesus allowed them to do that instead of "something else Jesus could have done to them", etc, and it was actually Jesus having compassion on both them (those demon) and the man that those demons were inhabiting, since it was the man that Jesus was after, etc. Anyway, this is the activity/purposes of most demons with most of us, but it can backfire for them if their attempts to make the person dead after it is no longer fun anymore doesn't succeed fully for them, because once they get in a person, they don't have the power to get released from that person until that person dies, etc, which doesn't always happen always, after which they are the ones that are in torment for a while until that person dies, or until someone like Jesus comes along, and they are able to get released another way, etc, which is what happened with this man with the legion.

God Bless.

I think your attempt to understand this is good but it seems to be too general concerning demons.

I consider this scripture to be saying the devils work against themselves.
Matthew 12:22
Jesus says " if" but it is true their demonic kingdom will perish and those wirh dwvils also cast out devils.
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out?

In practical terms consider that some serial killers do later commit suicide. The murder demon seeks to kill others the suicide demons seek to kill the host. These are basically demons in opposition to each other. A similar thoughr too might be in the nature of Satan, the father of lies. Demons likely lie and manipulate against each othee as well. So with both character issues and somewhat different goals it becomes a competiton and internal struggle for power when a oerson has multiple demons.
I suspect the going into the pigs haa other implications such as why jesus allowed that since the people later drove jesus out of town.
Similarily, in acts a demon waa cast out of a fortune telling woman. The townspeople were iffended because she no longee coyld earn money. Is one of the points if both stories to put deliverance over riches?

Grafted In · Sunday at 8:01 PM

Neogaia777 said:
I'm going to try to give you some insight into the activity of most demons, and what they are actually out to try and do with most of us, etc, but that sometimes doesn't go exactly according to plan. Let's take the man with the legion, and why Jesus sent them (those demons inhabiting that man) into the pigs, and why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice to die for a minute, and why it was actually an act of compassion upon those demons by Jesus? Jesus sought this man out, the man with the legion, and he didn't do this with hardly anyone else, and made quite the journey/trip out of his way to do it, etc. When a demon, or a group of demons, first makes a decision to target somebody, the first thing they do is get inside the person for what they think is going to be for them (at first) somebody that is going to provide them with a lot of very great fun, and much entertainment, at first anyway, etc, but, when the fun stops being fun or entertaining anymore, then they usually try to get that person to off themselves or die so they can then get released from that person, and go elsewhere to do it with or to somebody else again, etc. Most of the time they are successful with most people and it's not a problem for them, etc. But, every once in a while, they can get stuck there with somebody for a while and then it becomes a torment for them until that person dies, etc, and this is what had happened with the man with the legion, these demons desperately wanted a release from this man by that point, because they couldn't get him to kill himself, and couldn't kill him, etc. Well, Jesus seeks this man out, knowing full well what was going on with; both that man, and the demons in him by that point, etc. Well, when these demons saw Jesus coming they knew exactly who Jesus was, and that he had full authority to send them all into oblivion if he wanted to, etc, and this is why they entreated him, and practically begged Jesus to send them into the pigs instead, and is why the pigs immediately rushed over the precipice and died, so that these could finally be released and were free to go elsewhere now after that, etc, finallyget there long sought release from this man that they originally targeted (but greatly underestimated, etc). They knew Jesus wasn't going to kill the man, or let them kill the man (something they had been trying to do with the man, or get that man to do for a very, very long time now, but couldn't) so, anyway, that's why they practically begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs nearby, and Jesus allowed them to do that instead of "something else Jesus could have done to them", etc, and it was actually Jesus having compassion on both them (those demon) and the man that those demons were inhabiting, since it was the man that Jesus was after, etc. Anyway, this is the activity/purposes of most demons with most of us, but it can backfire for them if their attempts to make the person dead after it is no longer fun anymore doesn't succeed fully for them, because once they get in a person, they don't have the power to get released from that person until that person dies, etc, which doesn't always happen always, after which they are the ones that are in torment for a while until that person dies, or until someone like Jesus comes along, and they are able to get released another way, etc, which is what happened with this man with the legion.

God Bless.

Thank you for your post.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 10:16 PM

Richard T said:
I think your attempt to understand this is good but it seems to be too general concerning demons.

I consider this scripture to be saying the devils work against themselves.
Matthew 12:22
Jesus says " if" but it is true their demonic kingdom will perish and those wirh dwvils also cast out devils.
But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out?

In practical terms consider that some serial killers do later commit suicide. The murder demon seeks to kill others the suicide demons seek to kill the host. These are basically demons in opposition to each other. A similar thoughr too might be in the nature of Satan, the father of lies. Demons likely lie and manipulate against each othee as well. So with both character issues and somewhat different goals it becomes a competiton and internal struggle for power when a oerson has multiple demons.
I suspect the going into the pigs haa other implications such as why jesus allowed that since the people later drove jesus out of town.
Similarily, in acts a demon waa cast out of a fortune telling woman. The townspeople were iffended because she no longee coyld earn money. Is one of the points if both stories to put deliverance over riches?

This has nothing to do with Satan casting out Satan, or Satan being against himself, and it doesn't even fit the context here, but is just the way it is/works with some lesser demons and with those people that are on the bottom rungs of society sometimes. Satan and some of his higher demons, have another agenda that mainly only applies to people of greater influence, but that doesn't really apply to most of us down here most of the time, etc. For those of us down here, I've just told you what it is mostly about most of the time, etc. And most demons, once they seek to possess a person, cannot get released until that person dies, etc. Some might be at the point of being ready to let go of their people, and some might not yet, but either way, this is the way it works with most of us down here most of the time. Most of the time when they are ready to kill a person, it works flawlessly and without a hangup or a hitch most of the time, but not always, etc. Like the man with the legion for example, etc. Then they become trapped there for a time, etc. If they are at the point of seeking a release, then casting them out should be easy, but maybe not so easy yet if they are not yet ready to let go of that person yet most of the time. But either way, they are commanded/bound to always fully obey Jesus name, etc.

With the woman with the powers of divination, it was a case of her being in an influential position, as many people in places of power/influence listened to her, so there was another purpose there involving her for a time, other than just messing with her and then killing her, etc, but either way, they can be immediately cast out by anyone using Jesus name, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 10:42 PM

Notice when Jesus was asked about it, he talked about "binding the strong man", but did not say Satan? That's because, at that time, God the Holy Spirit (YHWH in the OT) was bound up inside of Jesus for a time, and could not get released until Jesus died. But now after that though, is omnipresent now, and can be/exist within us all now, all at the same time, and we all have access to his powers/goods now, until we die, etc. People that like to say Jesus "gave up the Ghost" when he died, are not too far away from some of the truth actually, etc. Any Spirit/spirit that chooses to dwell inside someone, instead of just only influencing them from the outside, is most usually bound up inside that person until they die, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Sunday at 11:23 PM

A tip for discerning and knowing the truth.

What Jesus is saying, is just as much in what he doesn't say, as it is in what is actually said, etc. He knew we wouldn't believe him if he tried to tell us outright, etc. So he hid some of it in what is said, etc.

Not mentioning the name Satan when talking about the strong man, is just one of these examples.

But now is the time when you can now be told outright though. And that is a part of why I am here, etc.

God Bless.

David Lamb · Monday at 2:28 AM

Neogaia777 said:
That's because, at that time, God the Holy Spirit (YHWH in the OT) was bound up inside of Jesus for a time, and could not get released until Jesus died.

Where do we find such a thing as the Holy Spirit being "bound up inside of Jesus" until He died? When Jesus was baptized by John, we read:

“And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't bound up anywhere.

Neogaia777 · Monday at 3:00 AM

David Lamb said:
Where do we find such a thing as the Holy Spirit being "bound up inside of Jesus" until He died? When Jesus was baptized by John, we read:

“And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't bound up anywhere.

God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

David Lamb · Monday at 4:38 AM

Neogaia777 said:
God the Holy Spirit chose to inhabit Jesus (as was part of the plan) (and the rest of the plan that would follow afterward) until the day Jesus died. When exactly this took place I am not aware of, or cannot say, but it was sometime between Jesus birth (or maybe at or from conception maybe) but most definitely happened by the time of Jesus baptism, and lasted until the day that Jesus died. Until then, he was bound or was restricted to only what he could do through Jesus until that time, but not after that though, etc, after that he had the promise of being able to be in everybody all at the same time, etc. This was the very first time God the Holy Spirit ever chose to do this with anybody, etc. But it was all part of "the plan" until Jesus died. All spirits are temporarily bound when they first choose to enter a man, or a human being, as they become restricted to only what they can do or make happen through/with that person temporarily, etc. This is why many will only try to exert their influence from the outside at first most of the time until it maybe becomes necessary to be on the inside, and then they will try, etc. But they know the rules and risks of trying to get on the inside. Those trying to get on the inside of someone for fun, could all of the sudden find themselves in a temporary torment sometimes, until that person dies.

God Bless.

Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

Neogaia777 · Monday at 4:48 AM

David Lamb said:
Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

Just exchange the word "bound" for temporarily "restricted/limited", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

I apologize for using language this way sometimes, but it is sometimes necessary, ok.

God Bless.

David Lamb · Monday at 4:54 AM

Neogaia777 said:
Just exchange the word "bound" for "restricted", because it's basically the same thing either way, ok.

God Bless.

Whether you say "bound" or "restricted", where is such a think taught in the bible? I find that we are taught that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he died before Jesus. Elderly Simeon had the Holy Spirit:

“25 ¶ And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,” (Lu 2:25-27 NKJV)

Neogaia777 · Monday at 5:20 AM

David Lamb said:
Whether you say "bound" or "restricted", where is such a think taught in the bible?

The passages I am referring to is controversial as to what they are really about, but they are Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27. Most people will say that they were about Satan, but that would then also mean that Jesus was also possessed by/with Satan, which I do not believe, or that his powers/goods/knowledge also came from Satan, which I also don't believe, and Jesus also did not specifically say it was Satan that he was talking about there in those passages either, etc. The fact that it was Satan that was being talked about before that, doesn't really matter, etc. And in the passage in Matthew 12, Jesus actually talks about doing everything he was doing by the Spirit of God before the words about the strong man/spirit/person is mentioned, etc. And that his powers came only from the Holy Spirit of God, and not from Satan, etc. If the strong man was Satan, and Jesus was talking about plundering/using Satan's goods, then that would mean that Jesus powers/abilities were coming from Satan, which not only did Jesus say wasn't ever possible ever, but also that his powers/abilities were not coming from Satan, etc. So Jesus was talking about God the Holy Spirit, or YHWH from the OT, etc.

David Lamb said:
I find that we are taught that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he died before Jesus. Elderly Simeon had the Holy Spirit:

“25 ¶ And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law,” (Lu 2:25-27 NKJV)

"The Holy Spirit" became restricted to just only being in Christ at one point, and after that, was restricted to Jesus Christ until he (Jesus) died at the cross, but after that, then became available to being in/with everybody again after that point, etc. Holy Spirit always could be inside of people before that, but just didn't ever choose to before that (because of sin) until Jesus, and then chose to a lot more after that, or after Jesus, but irregardless of sin after that, or after Jesus, etc.

BelieveItOarKnot · Monday at 5:37 AM

David Lamb said:
Thanks for replying. I agree that all three persons of the Trinity were involved in our salvation, and in particular, in the life of Jesus while He was on earth. I agree too, that the Holy Spirit was with Him. What I don't find in the bible is your contention that the Holy Spirit was somehow "bound" inside Jesus.

I would also object to the term bound. Not really possible to "bind" the Holy Spirit Grieve, yes. Bound, no.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

David Lamb · Monday at 5:40 AM

Neogaia777 said:
The passages I am referring to is controversial as to what they are really about, but they are Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27. Most people will say that they were about Satan, but that would then also mean that Jesus was also possessed by/with Satan, which I do not believe, or that his powers/goods/knowledge also came from Satan, which I also don't believe, and Jesus also did not specifically say it was Satan that he was talking about there in those passages either, etc. The fact that it was Satan that was being talked about before that, doesn't really matter, etc. And in the passage in Matthew 12, Jesus actually talks about doing everything he was doing by the Spirit of God before the words about the stong man/spirit/person is mentioned, etc. And that his powers came only from the Holy Spirit of God, and not from Satan, etc.

"The Holy Spirit" became restricted to just only being in Christ at one point, and after that, was restricted to Jesus Christ until he (Jesus) died at the cross, but after that, then became available to being in/with everybody again after that point, etc. Holy Spirit always could be inside of people before that, but just didn't ever choose to before that (because of sin) until Jesus, and then after that, or after Jesus, etc.

But the verses you mention are in the context of The Pharisees arguing that Jesus cast demons out of possessed people by the prince of demons:

“24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 “If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?” (Mt 12:24-26 NKJV)

The verses and their context certainly don't say that Jesus was possessed by Satan or by a demon.

As for the Holy Spirit being only in Jesus for a time, I don't agree that the bible says that.

Anyway, thanks for replying, and God bless you.

BelieveItOarKnot · Monday at 5:50 AM

Neogaia777 said:
The passages I am referring to is controversial as to what they are really about, but they are Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27. Most people will say that they were about Satan, but that would then also mean that Jesus was also possessed by/with Satan, which I do not believe, or that his powers/goods/knowledge also came from Satan, which I also don't believe, and Jesus also did not specifically say it was Satan that he was talking about there in those passages either, etc. The fact that it was Satan that was being talked about before that, doesn't really matter, etc. And in the passage in Matthew 12, Jesus actually talks about doing everything he was doing by the Spirit of God before the words about the strong man/spirit/person is mentioned, etc. And that his powers came only from the Holy Spirit of God, and not from Satan, etc. If the strong man was Satan, and Jesus was talking about plundering/using Satan's goods, then that would mean that Jesus powers/abilities were coming from Satan, which not only did Jesus say wasn't even ever possible ever, but also that his powers/abilities were not coming from Satan, etc. So Jesus was talking about God the Holy Spirit, or YHWH from the OT, etc.

"The Holy Spirit" became restricted to just only being in Christ at one point, and after that, was restricted to Jesus Christ until he (Jesus) died at the cross, but after that, then became available to being in/with everybody again after that point, etc. Holy Spirit always could be inside of people before that, but just didn't ever choose to before that (because of sin) until Jesus, and then chose to a lot more after that, or after Jesus, but irregardless of sin after that, or after Jesus, etc.

IF you accept the fact that devils occupy people, that does complicate how we read and understand the scriptures.

The fact is, Mark 4:15 is real for everyone.

All have sin, Romans 3:9

and

Sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

We almost invariably read Mark 4:15 and a thought almost instantly comes to mind, that "this doesn't happen to me because I'm a believer." When the fact is, it's TRUE.

And if so, then the Word is both for and against us all because we are a bundle, of the child of God and the spirit(s) of disobedience that God Himself bound us all with to bring THEM into final judgments. Romans 11:32

Neogaia777 · Monday at 5:54 AM

David Lamb said:
But the verses you mention are in the context of The Pharisees arguing that Jesus cast demons out of possessed people by the prince of demons:

“24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 “If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?” (Mt 12:24-26 NKJV)

The verses and their context certainly don't say that Jesus was possessed by Satan or by a demon.

As for the Holy Spirit being only in Jesus for a time, I don't agree that the bible says that.

Anyway, thanks for replying, and God bless you.

I believe that God the Holy Spirit is Yahweh God from the OT, and never did he ever choose to dwell inside anyone bodily before Jesus, due to being so utterly repulsed by most men's sins, or sinful nature, etc, but that that all began to change with Jesus, etc, and that either by Holy Spirits choice (or maybe not) he was restricted for a temporary time to Jesus.

But, yeah, thanks for the conversation.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Monday at 6:02 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
IF you accept the fact that devils occupy people, that does complicate how we read and understand the scriptures.

How so?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We almost invariably read Mark 4:15 and a thought almost instantly comes to mind, that "this doesn't happen to me because I'm a believer." When the fact is, it's TRUE.

What's true?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And if so, then the Word is both for and against us all because we are a bundle, of the child of God and the spirit(s) of disobedience that God Himself bound us all with to bring THEM into final judgments. Romans 11:32

"That He might have/show (His) Mercy (Love/Fogiveness) upon All"

It is against our sin, or our sin nature, but not all of us as people, or people who still sometimes sin, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Monday at 6:23 AM

BelieveItOarKnot said:
I would also object to the term bound. Not really possible to "bind" the Holy Spirit Grieve, yes. Bound, no.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

@David Lamb also.

I do hope you guys realize the problem(s) with language, and how it can be deceptive, and can sometimes be used to warrant more or less attention?

God Bless.

Richard T · Monday at 2:25 PM

Neogaia777 said:
This has nothing to do with Satan casting out Satan, or Satan being against himself, and it doesn't even fit the context here, but is just the way it is/works with some lesser demons and with those people that are on the bottom rungs of society sometimes. Satan and some of his higher demons, have another agenda that mainly only applies to people of greater influence, but that doesn't really apply to most of us down here most of the time, etc. For those of us down here, I've just told you what it is mostly about most of the time, etc. And most demons, once they seek to possess a person, cannot get released until that person dies, etc. Some might be at the point of being ready to let go of their people, and some might not yet, but either way, this is the way it works with most of us down here most of the time. Most of the time when they are ready to kill a person, it works flawlessly and without a hangup or a hitch most of the time, but not always, etc. Like the man with the legion for example, etc. Then they become trapped there for a time, etc. If they are at the point of seeking a release, then casting them out should be easy, but maybe not so easy yet if they are not yet ready to let go of that person yet most of the time. But either way, they are commanded/bound to always fully obey Jesus name, etc.

With the woman with the powers of divination, it was a case of her being in an influential position, as many people in places of power/influence listened to her, so there was another purpose there involving her for a time, other than just messing with her and then killing her, etc, but either way, they can be immediately cast out by anyone using Jesus name, etc.

God Bless.

Ok, is there any biblical evidence that demons are trapped in a person until death? Are all demons even inside a person or do some cause harm and mayhem as much as they can from the outside? The idea that some seek to leave a person and don't want to go back seem to be at odds with the verse where when the house is swept clean and empty. Those who left seek more demons in an attempt to return. So many assumptions might be attempted (mine too) but the information we have is incomplete. The good news is that believers do have authority over demons, especially if they pray and fast as needed and know the word.
You bring up some great questions though, like the efficacy of demons, their possible inabilities to maneuver from one person to
another, and a specific interpretation of the legion in the pigs story. Is that revelation your own or have you seen any other sources use that interpretation before?

David Lamb · Tuesday at 5:29 AM

Neogaia777 said:
@David Lamb also.

I do hope you guys realize the problem(s) with language, and how it can be deceptive, and can sometimes be used to warrant more or less attention?

God Bless.

If you mean that language can be ambiguous, then I agree. For example, the English word "so" has many meanings. In that very well-known verse, John 3:6, it is used to translate the Greek word meaning "thus", but many people assume that it refers to the amount God loves. I am not sure how that sort of thing applies to what we are discussing, with you saying that the Holy Spirit was bound inside Jesus for a time, and me saying that as far as I am aware, no verse in the bible says that.

The man with the legion?

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