Christians respond to tech CEO’s exposure for apparent adultery at Coldplay concert: ‘A sobering reminder’

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
I am fine with people who do shameful things feeling shame.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
That's not what I'm talking about.

It actually is. You want to protect this couple from the consequences of their actions by making them feel less bad. Why should infidelity be treated lightly? Why do you have more to say about the reaction to this couple than what the couple themselves have done?

2PhiloVoid · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
How dare people publicly shame these two for their infidelity? Do you think their actions were deserving of hugs and consolation?

Where in the New Testament are we commanded or directed to "publicly shame" those who are among the typically sinful type of non-Christian?

......... I'm guessing someone is going to pull out Ephesians 5:11-13 as an "example" of the supposed Christian moral mandate.

I'm all for naming, shaming, blaming and convicting those who have either criminal activities or profligate commercial influence, but for the common man and woman who makes up the rest of the 99% of the overall non-Christian population, I think simple but gracious admonishment and constructive redirection is in order instead.

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
It actually is. You want to protect this couple from the consequences of their actions by making them feel less bad. Why should infidelity be treated lightly? Why do you have more to say about the reaction to this couple than what the couple themselves have done?

Thank you for responding. You are not getting my point, but that's okay. The posts are still there for your review.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
Where in the New Testament are we commanded or directed to "publicly shame" those who are among the typically sinful type of non-Christian?

......... I'm guessing someone is going to pull out Ephesians 5:11-13 as an "example" of the supposed Christian moral mandate.

I'm all for naming, shaming, blaming and convicting those who have either criminal activities or profligate commercial influence, but for the common man and woman who makes up the rest of the 99% of the overall non-Christian population, I think simple but gracious admonishment and constructive redirection is in order instead.

Where are we told to be kind and graceful towards those who commit adultery and betray their marriage? Should adultery be so casual within society?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
Thank you for responding. You are not getting my point, but that's okay. The posts are still there for your review.

Thank you for reinforcing where your feelings lie. Towards adulterers and against those who condemn them.

2PhiloVoid · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Where are we told to be kind and graceful towards those who commit adultery and betray their marriage? Should adultery be so casual within society?

Where are we told to be unkind, ungracious and "Lord it over" others in their unwise decisions? I'm not seeing very much, if anything, in the New Testament from the Lord Jesus, or from Paul, or from Peter, or John or James that says we need to do the ol' American "KICK A%% and TAKE NAMES!!!!"

Yeah. No wonder folks are turning away from the faith.................................. sheesh!

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Thank you for reinforcing where your feelings lie. Towards adulterers and against those who condemn them.

Lol, I didn't do any such thing. You just had a conversation with someone, but it wasn't me. ^_^

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
Where are we told to be unkind, ungracious and "Lord it over" others in their unwise decisions? I'm not seeing very much, if anything, in the New Testament from the Lord Jesus, or from Paul, or from Peter, or John or James that says we need to do the ol' American "KICK A%% and TAKE NAMES!!!!"

Yeah. No wonder folks are turning away from the faith.................................. sheesh!

I'm not American so please dont insult me.

But where are we taught that the Gospel doesn't have consequences? That we are only to be nice? Should adultery have no consequences? Are we allowed to shame any sin or only Christians who shame sins?

You seem to have more of a problem with me considering adultery being shameful than the adultery itself.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
Lol, I didn't do any such thing. You just had a conversation with someone, but it wasn't me.

Hey im not the one being kind towards adulterers. My question to you is do yoy have this kindness towards everyone or just adulterers?

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Hey im not the one being kind towards adulterers.

Why not be gracious and merciful? I'm wondering why that is a problem. Are you afraid? Feel free to talk about it. I'm trying to listen.

2PhiloVoid · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
I'm not American so please dont insult me.

Insult you? I was merely referring to an all too common heuristic for the mediation of justice that Americans have, off and on, appealed to. It's not an insult. I was merely citing a style of penalizing those with whom we may have conflict.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
But where are we taught that the Gospel doesn't have consequences? That we are only to be nice? Should adultery have no consequences? Are we allowed to shame any sin or only Christians who shame sins?

I asked you a question earlier about the contents of the New Testament. Now it's your turn to cite some examples that you think back up your speech act of questioning me.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
You seem to have more of a problem with me considering adultery being shameful than the adultery itself.

I have a problem with people who think KICKING A%% and TAKING NAMES is the first resort for any and every spiritual infraction they may encounter in life or that is seen among random people in a crowd. I don't see it as a Christian mandate from---as I said earlier----Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, or James.

Do you?

However, I do see many examples of Jesus mediating with grace, mercy, love, compassion...........and redirection toward God, the Father.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
Why not be gracious and merciful? I'm wondering why that is a problem. Are you afraid? Feel free to talk about it. I'm trying to listen.

Why be gracious and merciful to those who betrayed their vows and haven't repented publically? Are adulterers immune from criticism?

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Why be gracious and merciful to those who betrayed their vows and haven't repented publically? Are adulterers immune from criticism?

I'll try this one more time. The families involved are going through a nightmare, not just because of the adultery but also because the world has a judgment to make publicly. So high-profile Christians are going to join the rest of the world and pile it on, too? To what end? Why not remain silent and look inside? Why not grieve for the families and pray? There are a number of options, but joining the gloating and shaming wagon seems the least desirable.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
I'll try this one more time. The families involved are going through a nightmare, not just because of the adultery but also because the world has a judgment to make publicly. So high-profile Christians are going to join the rest of the world and pile it on, too? To what end? Why not remain silent and look inside? Why not grieve for the families and pray? There are a number of options, but joining the gloating and shaming wagon seems the least desirable.

What are we looking in towards? The internal motivations of the affair, understanding why it happened to what end? Is the world wrong to condemn adultery? Are we as Christians to understand that these two have legitimate feelings and that their affair was not all that bad? Where are you going with this?

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
What are we looking in towards? The internal motivations of the affair, understanding why it happened to what end? Is the world wrong to condemn adultery? Are we as Christians to understand that these two have legitimate feelings and that their affair was not all that bad? Where are you going with this?

I'm not going anywhere with this. I made my point. You disagree and think it's fine to pile on the shame. Okay.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

2PhiloVoid said:
Insult you? I was merely referring to an all too common heuristic for the mediation of justice that Americans have, off and on, appealed to. It's not an insult. I was merely citing a style of penalizing those with whom we may have conflict.

I consider being compared to an American and insult. Please refrain from doing so.

2PhiloVoid said:
I asked you a question earlier about the contents of the New Testament. Now it's your turn to cite some examples that you think back up your speech act of questioning me.

Examples of shaming public figures? John the Baptist shamed Herod for taking his brother's wife, was he wrong? Our Lord regularly shamed the Pharisees. Paul even shamed a fellow Christian for a sexual relationship with his mother in law. Were all these wrong? Should they have been kinder?

2PhiloVoid said:
I have a problem with people who think KICKING A%% and TAKING NAMES is the first resort for any and every spiritual infraction they may encounter in life or that is seen among random people in a crowd. I don't see it as a Christian mandate from---as I said earlier----Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, or James.

I think criticizing an affair an rightfully inculcating shame in this couple isn't about kicking ass. It is about letting them feel the consequence of their sin. Should there be no social consequences for sin?

2PhiloVoid said:
Do you?

However, I do see many examples of Jesus mediating with grace, mercy, love, compassion...........and redirection toward God, the Father.

Except when Jesus did judge and use harsh language not only with his Apostles but outsiders and Jewish authorities. Our Lord was not above making others feel bad for their sins.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
I'm not going anywhere with this. I made my point. You disagree and think it's fine to pile on the shame. Okay.

I do because what they did is worthy of shame. If adultery isn't worthy of shaming then what is? Do you apply this standard of yours towards all sins or just adultery?

public hermit · Jul 20, 2025

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
I do because what they did is worthy of shame. If adultery isn't worthy of shaming then what is? Do you apply this standard of yours towards all sins or just adultery?

I'm sorry, but that's the end of 20 Questions for me. I'm confident we will disagree again at some later date.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 20, 2025

public hermit said:
I'm sorry, but that's the end of 20 Questions for me. I'm confident we will disagree again at some later date.

Of course we will. We have radically different worldviews.

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