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JohnClay

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If a Philistine submitted to being tied up and circumcised by the enemy, they might have met their death at the hands of the Philistine leader, who would scream... "Are you weak... A coward? Then die like the dog you are."
Afterward, he would look around and ask, "Anyone else afraid to die in battle?"
So say David and his men tied up and circumcised 200 Philistines. I don't think it is likely that some Philistines would come along and kill all 200 of them for choosing to be circumcised instead of choosing death. It seems like a scenario where they were taken as prisoners of war.
e.g. I found this with DeepSeek
Japanese military culture during WWII viewed surrender as dishonorable, and soldiers were often expected to fight to the death or commit suicide rather than be captured.
The USSR considered surrender treasonous under Order No. 270 (1941), which mandated that soldiers fight to the death.
 
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So say David and his men tied up and circumcised 200 Philistines. I don't think it is likely that some Philistines would come along and kill all 200 of them for choosing to be circumcised instead of choosing death. It seems like a scenario where they were taken as prisoners of war.
David arose and went, he and his men, and killed two hundred men of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full count to the king. 1 Samuel 18:2.
Capture only occurs when the enemy retreats or flees, and surrender, because they are powerless to do anything.
It's not possible to tie up fighting men. David attacked a garrison of soldiers, who weren't sitting eating bread, with their weapons hung up in tents.

e.g. I found this with DeepSeek
Japanese military culture during WWII viewed surrender as dishonorable, and soldiers were often expected to fight to the death or commit suicide rather than be captured.
The USSR considered surrender treasonous under Order No. 270 (1941), which mandated that soldiers fight to the death.
That's what I'm saying.
Soldiers don't surrender without a fight, even when they are afraid.
Consider 1 Samuel 4:5-11
5 And when the ark of the covenant of the Lord came into the camp, all Israel shouted so loudly that the earth shook. 6 Now when the Philistines heard the noise of the shout, they said, “What does the sound of this great shout in the camp of the Hebrews mean?” Then they understood that the ark of the Lord had come into the camp. 7 So the Philistines were afraid, for they said, “God has come into the camp!” And they said, “Woe to us! For such a thing has never happened before. 8 Woe to us! Who will deliver us from the hand of these mighty gods? These are the gods who struck the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness. 9 Be strong and conduct yourselves like men, you Philistines, that you do not become servants of the Hebrews, as they have been to you. [a]Conduct yourselves like men, and fight!”
10 So the Philistines fought, and Israel was [b]defeated, and every man fled to his tent. There was a very great slaughter, and there fell of Israel thirty thousand foot soldiers. 11 Also the ark of God was captured; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, died.​

Even during their fear, the commander will always try to boost the men's moral, and he will bellow words for them to be courageous, valiant, competent men.
The soldiers will respond to the commander, because none will be labeled a coward.
Even when they are six feet under, they will be honored with words such as, "they died a hero". Or "they dies a brave soldier".
 
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Apparently circumcision started with Abraham and is part of Abrahamic religions like Judaism and Islam.

It also can be a part of Christianity such as part of my Australian Lutheran heritage.

I guess it can be an inappropriate topic even though apparently the creator of the universe commanded it.

Then Paul was saying that it is no longer necessary - perhaps so that more gentiles would want to convert to Christianity.

I sometimes get curious and want to ask people I know whether they are circumcised but usually I don't ask them - sometimes I have but then I had forgotten what their answer was and don't end up asking them again.

So anyway it is part of the Bible and I was curious about what Christians think about it.

Circumcision wasn't unique to the Hebrews/Jews, but it had a specific meaning as it was given to Abraham as the sign of God's covenant with him and his descendants--which is why every Jewish male was to be circumcised indicating that they are children of that covenant and the covenant God established at Sinai.

Circumcision has no spiritual or religious significance in Christianity except that, under the old covenant, it is seen as pointing to the greater significance of Christ and the redemption we have in Christ. St. Paul, therefore, speaks of a "spiritual circumcision" and a "circumcision of the heart", specifically identifying the Sacrament of Holy Baptism as the sign and seal of this spiritual circumcision of the heart in his epistle to the Colossians. Which is why Christians have always, historically, viewed Baptism as a kind of Christian circumcision. We bring our children to be baptized (I am aware many Christian traditions today reject infant baptism), and historically Christians believe that at Baptism we are sealed with the Holy Spirit because of the faith God gives us in the Gospel; as the promise of the Holy Spirit is connected to Baptism in Scripture, and Scripture speaks of how we are brought into the Mystical Body of Christ in the Spirit through Baptism (Acts 2:38 and 1 Corinthians 12:13 respectively).

Modern circumcision practices among some Christians is almost entirely cultural and secular, because for a period of time in the English-speaking world it was recommended for medical reasons. And some medical professionals still argue that there are medical benefits to circumcision.

There are a handful of fringe Christian sects and heretical groups that teach circumcision is still required for Christians, but--again--these are fringe sects and heretics saying things like this. It is not part of historic, mainstream Christian practice and belief. So the vast majority of modern Christians who are circumcised are circumcised because of cultural and medical reasons, not religious.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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