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How long does Purgatory last?
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length of time undefined.
How do you know if a loved one is now out of purgatory? -- undefined?
How do you know how many partial indulgences to earn for a given loved one? undefined?
How many plenary indulgences for the same person would need to be earned before being completely confident that your loved one is finally out of purgatory?... undefined
How often are multiple plenary indulgences sought after for the same loved one?
Example:
"A 300-day indulgence meant that the act would remit the same amount of temporal punishment that would be remitted by 300 days of canonical penance"
what is does "canonical penance" include?
"Satisfaction for Sins: The penance is a way for the penitent to make amends for their sins and to demonstrate their sorrow"
What is an indulgence?
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain defined conditions through the Church's help."
"Reading Sacred Scripture with reverence, as a form of spiritual reading, grants a partial indulgence"
"Partial indulgences were historically measured in days, signifying the amount of temporal punishment that would be remitted, equivalent to the punishment that would have been remitted by a specific amount of canonical penance."
"In the Catholic Church, people cannot earn multiple plenary indulgences for the same living person, including themselves, on the same day. However, there are exceptions and situations where a second plenary indulgence can be obtained on the same day, specifically for deceased individuals. "
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I think we all agree that Purgatory is not explicitly taught in the New Testament. No argument there. It's an idea that developed over the span of a few centuries during the Medieval period in the Western part of the church.
Remember, though, that there are churches like mine that value theological arguments and developments that have happened during the post-New-Testament life of the church. For us, a doctrine can be accepted if it is based on sound reasoning, even if it's not explicit in Scripture.
There are some arguments in favor of the idea of Purgatory, but it was accepted only in the West, not in the East, and what possible data about the afterlife could we be working from? Hence I label it "speculative". It was never as widely accepted as, say, the doctrine of the Trinity. But it's an interesting idea.
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In the East, they completely reject purgatory but constantly pray for the dead. It’s known to God alone how the prayers help, but they are considered very helpful.
To be fair, no one knows much about the afterlife because no one has died and came back to life, except for Jesus, even he didn’t go into specific details exactly what the afterlife is like, other than the parables and imagery prior to his crucifixion and resurrection.
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2 Maccabees - has no purgatory but as you note - it does have prayers said for the dead.
1. makes no mention of purgatory
2. and no mention of any kind of fire or suffering while dead.
3. In fact it says that an prayers for them are totally useless until the resurrection of the dead
4. And the example it gives is for people engaged in pagan worship, worship of again idols. Where salvation itself is in question.
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It does actually. Per the scripture, 1 Corinthians 15 mentions purgatory in Greek. And it mentions fire, rewards etc
It never mentioned prayers as useless?
Prayers for the dead were a fact for Christianity until the Protestant Reformation.
As a matter of fact, soul sleep was never heard of in Christianity until well after the Protestant Reformation.
It’s rather very recent.
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Where does 1 Corinthians 15 mention purgatory in Greek? There are 58 verses in that chapter - which verse are you thinking of? Thanks.
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