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Oh, no, he already said that. He's just circling back to his original argument.
As I said, I can't prove to you a negative, so why even bother? Perhaps if you shared the scriptural basis for your belief, we could discuss why you are incorrect, but that would be straying off-topic for this particular section of the forums.
The problem with this point of view is that you are placing your trust in human opinions. They're just different opinions.
I agree . I could have ended the discussion with my initial post, but I chose instead to address what I perceived as hypocrisy on the left .
See post #77. It was also heavily implied in #105. He's a hardcore Dispensationalist/Christian Zionist.
Looks like only you are pouncing so far.
The comment was very clearly about leverage that protests in the US have. We could organize a mass movement about the war in Sudan (the war that was mentioned), but who would you protest and what effect could it have?Are you being fair? I'm not sure. You've constructed a narrative of who "foreign policy protestors" are (anti-Western, anti-colonial leftists) and then project it upon (nearly) all who oppose Israel in Palestine.
I'm speaking specifically about the "grab your signs and hit the streets" protesting. That's almost always only done when there's a perceived connection between one of the belligerents and a "Western power" in order to conform to a broader narrative.
You previously mentioned that modern-day Israel may not be the same as the Israel referenced in the Bible. Are you now changing your position on this statement?
I'm not sure how you could possibly get that impression from what I said.
I don't know how old you are or why you hate what you think of as "The Left" so much but I am old enough to have been aware of many of the events you refer to and sometimes to the extent of actually protesting myself. I can state with confidence based on my own experience that your characterization of "The Left" is rapidly decaying into 100% pure weapons grade bolognium.
As I said, any further discussion of the theological aspects of dispensationalism would be off-topic for this forum.
I went back and looked at your OP, you mention Tucker Carlson as a potential "ally" to this movement. Tucker isn't grabbing any signs to protest in the street. To the extent that some active protestors (but not all) share your need for narrative, it is not every on the street (and never was) and even less so among those who consider themselves politically active on the topic of Israel-Palestine. I don't know why you can't meet your fellow posters concerned about Palestine where we actually are, rather than projecting other opinions onto them.
I don't know how to break this to you, Rob... Americans (and we are talking about American protestors) are much more interested in thing that involve us than things that don't. That pattern applies to all of your examples.
This one I remember *real* clearly as when it was occurring I lived with ~50 other American men who had freshly signed Selective Service cards. We'd never seen anything like this in our own memory (we were too young to remember Vietnam). Our cohorts (friends, neighbors, brothers and cousins) who were in the National Guard were activated and deployed to a potential invasion. The slogans weren't about "peace in the middle east", but "No Blood for Oil" (that is *our* blood).
This one *is* before my time, but I did learn about it in school. (didn't you?) Opposition to the war was driven by not wanting to *fight* for in another pointless "domino" war (just a decade after the last one). It was about opposition to the draft at its core, just like the anti-draft riots of 1863. For the tiny number of actual communists in the US, yes, N. Vietnam became the "cause celebre", but again, so what.
I don't know why you are talking about "leftists" at all. The opposition to Palestinian occupation is far broader than the narrow group of self-identified "leftists" in the US. Can this be anything other than a distraction.
Personally, I can't stand any of the narrative approaches to real problems. Not the "everything is western imperialism" narrative, not your "the 'everything is western imperialism' narrative is bad narrative", nor any of the narratives being directly pushed by Arab nationalists, Christian Zionists, etc.
I find the same with people who take ancient texts to be true or profound.
If you don't believe Jesus' statement—"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away"—is as true now as it was 2,000 years ago, we won't agree on Biblical texts.
