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As I have said in my last post, welcome to United States of Iran.
I asked when you first made that accusation of ICE going door to door to round people up and compared it to Iran to please support this uncalled-for accusation. You did not post anything to back up the lie, and you are still spreading it.

Just because you don’t like something means it is against the law.
 
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Your suggestion that “democratic practices” are defined by the Democrats is humorous considering that the whole last administration was committing treason with their unelected shadow government.

I am not defending Biden administration,

If Republicans believed the Biden administration was a shadow government, the GOP in the House would have been obligated to impeach President Biden.

The GOP did not act on "Biden shadow government." Instead, voters removed Democrats from power and gave control of the White House, Senate, and House to the GOP.

I hope American voters make a similar decision regarding the GOP in the upcoming midterms and in 2028. Supporters of dictatorial actions should enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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I am not defending Biden administration,

If Republicans believed the Biden administration was a shadow government, the GOP in the House would have been obligated to impeach President Biden.

The GOP did not act on "Biden shadow government." Instead, voters removed Democrats from power and gave control of the White House, Senate, and House to the GOP.

I hope American voters make a similar decision regarding the GOP in the upcoming midterms and in 2028. Supporters of dictatorial actions should enjoy it while it lasts.
I am not interested in speaking about Biden. I am pointing out that the Democrats have violated “democratic practices” way more than the right has and has little room to speak about who gets to define that phrase.

And please do not spread lies about who was responsible for Biden and his shadow government. We have already been through this and you have been proved wrong in every way.
 
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They conducted raids at businesses. They arrested people who were violent criminals, gang members and over half arrested were simply here illegally. The photo in the paper sh I we'd them without masks. There were not riots, there were no attacks on tge agents. There was no one shooting at them. Their families were not threatened.

Yes, President Obama prioritized resources to go after illegal immigrants with violent criminal records:

From the artcile:

Of the 2,059 arrested in the sweep, nearly half of them have convictions for serious crimes. Officials said 400 have previous aggravated felony convictions, 58 are known gang members and 89 are convicted sex offenders. Nearly 500 of the arrestees had re-entered the U.S. after having previously been deported by authorities.

A majority of Americans applaud such actions. Targetting any one who looks like an illegal - not so much.
 
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Yes, President Obama prioritized resources to go after illegal immigrants with violent criminal records:

From the artcile:

Of the 2,059 arrested in the sweep, nearly half of them have convictions for serious crimes. Officials said 400 have previous aggravated felony convictions, 58 are known gang members and 89 are convicted sex offenders. Nearly 500 of the arrestees had re-entered the U.S. after having previously been deported by authorities.

A majority of Americans applaud such actions. Targetting any one who looks like an illegal - not so much.
I’m hoping you have evidence for that opinion?
 
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ICE Agents Interrogate Kids at Baseball Practice — Coach Pushes Back, Nearly Arrested: Report

Youman Wilder, who has coached youth baseball on the West Side for two decades, told West Side Rag that the children — mostly middle and high schoolers — were practicing at the batting cages in Riverside Park when armed agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement approached them.

“I go over quickly and the agents are asking the kids inappropriate things like where they are from, their country of origin,” Wilder said. “So I say, ‘whoa, whoa,’ and I tell the officers that their questions are inappropriate, and that I’m going to tell my kids not to answer them.”

“Then they started to talk about cuffing me, and that if the kids were here legally, what do they have to lose by answering,” he said. “I told them that they still have their Fifth and Fourth Amendment rights, and that they don’t have to speak to you or help with any investigation.”

Wilder called the moment a lesson in knowing your rights. “It’s all about civics. If you don’t know your rights, they will trample on them,” he said.

As American as apple pie!
 
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Yes, President Obama prioritized resources to go after illegal immigrants with violent criminal records:

From the artcile:

Of the 2,059 arrested in the sweep, nearly half of them have convictions for serious crimes. Officials said 400 have previous aggravated felony convictions, 58 are known gang members and 89 are convicted sex offenders. Nearly 500 of the arrestees had re-entered the U.S. after having previously been deported by authorities.

A majority of Americans applaud such actions. Targetting any one who looks like an illegal - not so much.
Which means half were not any of the those terrible people, but just simply illegals living here illegally. Just like some being picked up today. Riots in LA, attacks on agents assassination attempts. Threatening families is how the left operates now and didnt back then.

Marketing a car wash where illegals where just trying to earn a living. The left didnt care. Not a peep, no riots, no assaults, no threats on agents children.

Rhere is NO excuse for these actions. The left didnt care back then. Its time to acknowledge the radicals have taken over the left.
 
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So the left, with all their mind-reading abilities, has just decided that they don’t believe Trump offered the National Guard.
The article I posted quoted acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller, no mind reading necessary.

Though, I can't help but notice you did not provide documentation for your version of events. Will that be forthcoming?

However, the Politifact page, itself, states they refused the offer due to optics. You can’t have it both ways.
The Politifact article you quoted said: "[Former House sergeant-at-arms Paul] Irving told [Capitol Police Chief Steven] Sund ahead of the riot that he did not want National Guard troops at the Capitol on Jan. 6 because of bad "optics," the Washington Post and the New York Times reported."

Two different people, neither of them Nancy Pelosi, made two different statements, so yeah, we can have it both ways.

In the end, whether or not Trump actually did offer to call in the National Guard depends on whether or not you believe Donald Trump, a man convicted of fraud on multiple occasions, including 34 felony convictions.

-- A2SG, you can do your own math here....
 
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Your suggestion that “democratic practices” are defined by the Democrats is humorous considering that the whole last administration was committing treason with their unelected shadow government.

I’m hoping you have evidence for that opinion?

Do you have evidence for the charge of treason or for the existence of whatever this "shadow government" you seem to believe exists?

-- A2SG, be nice to have that, I think Congress is looking for it....
 
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Do you have evidence for the charge of treason or for the existence of whatever this "shadow government" you seem to believe exists?

-- A2SG, be nice to have that, I think Congress is looking for it....
Actually, yes. Several of the aides have admitted to using the autopen without authorization, and since none of them were elected to be the president of the United States, it is a treasonous offense. Although treason is generally considered a wartime offense, there are other times the accusation can be applied, if the intent to betray can be seen as the motivation. In the current investigation, Biden’s doctor, an old family friend, used the 5th as a response to all the questions asked of him, an indication of guilt, itself, but without the ability to ascertain the motive.

To be clear, I am not accusing Biden (he was the puppet), or the doctor (he somehow thought he was being loyal to a friend). It is the people who actually used the auto pen with the intent to betray. But why am I explaining to people who have accused Trump if treason without a shred of evidence?
 
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The article I posted quoted acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller, no mind reading necessary.

Though, I can't help but notice you did not provide documentation for your version of events. Will that be forthcoming?


The Politifact article you quoted said: "[Former House sergeant-at-arms Paul] Irving told [Capitol Police Chief Steven] Sund ahead of the riot that he did not want National Guard troops at the Capitol on Jan. 6 because of bad "optics," the Washington Post and the New York Times reported."

Two different people, neither of them Nancy Pelosi, made two different statements, so yeah, we can have it both ways.

In the end, whether or not Trump actually did offer to call in the National Guard depends on whether or not you believe Donald Trump, a man convicted of fraud on multiple occasions, including 34 felony convictions.

-- A2SG, you can do your own math here....
1. You must have missed that part of the Politifact fact check that says the sergeant-at-arms reports to the speaker of the house. He is the go-between for the Speaker and the Capitol Police. I highly doubt that the second in command made that decision himself.

2. Steven Sund, chief of the Capitol Police at the time, requested for National Guard troops several times, before they were actually asked for by Pelosi and the sergeant-at-arms.

3. President Trump did request National Guard troops for Jan. 6 in the days leading up to that.


 
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Actually, yes. Several of the aides have admitted to using the autopen without authorization, and since none of them were elected to be the president of the United States, it is a treasonous offense.
Who exactly were these aides, and when will they be indicted?

Although treason is generally considered a wartime offense, there are other times the accusation can be applied, if the intent to betray can be seen as the motivation. In the current investigation, Biden’s doctor, an old family friend, used the 5th as a response to all the questions asked of him, an indication of guilt, itself, but without the ability to ascertain the motive.
First, invoking the fifth amendment is never viewed as an admission of guilt in a court of law.

Second, he cannot divulge private, confidential patient information per HIPAA. He could lose his license to practice medicine for that.

To be clear, I am not accusing Biden (he was the puppet), or the doctor (he somehow thought he was being loyal to a friend). It is the people who actually used the auto pen with the intent to betray.
And who, exactly, are these people? I look forward to their trial.

But why am I explaining to people who have accused Trump if treason without a shred of evidence?
When did I do that?

-- A2SG, you'd think I'd remember doing that....
 
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1. You must have missed that part of the Politifact fact check that says the sergeant-at-arms reports to the speaker of the house. He is the go-between for the Speaker and the Capitol Police. I highly doubt that the second in command made that decision himself.
Then please document exactly when Speaker Pelosi made that decision herself.

2. Steven Sund, chief of the Capitol Police at the time, requested for National Guard troops several times, before they were actually asked for by Pelosi and the sergeant-at-arms.
You forgot to provide documentation for this claim.

3. President Trump did request National Guard troops for Jan. 6 in the days leading up to that.


So why weren't they there, then? And what part did Speaker Pelosi herself play in that?

-- A2SG, she was the one you claimed was responsible, did you not?
 
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Why because Iran is and anarchist state? A country where anarchists are running rampant? Like they are in places in the US?

Are you arguing that because some left-leaning Americans engaged in violent protests and defied government mandates, the government can bypass the 3rd and 4th Amendments, deploy the military and federal agents, and arrest people without warrants?

If citizens aren't allowed to dissent or protest, how is America different from authoritarian countries where people have no rights? If the government can suppress civil disobedience or protest, then American democracy ceases to exist, as power shifts from the people to the government.
 
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Holy smokes, when are you going to acknowledge your whole warrant shtick is just patently false? LE has ALWAYS been able to arrest without a warrant.

If American citizens are attacking and threatening agents and their families it would indicate a shift away from democratic practices toward a more anarchist state.
It's not just warrantless arrests, but arrests without articulable probable cause.


Friday’s ruling comes after the ACLU of Southern California brought a case against the Trump administration last week on behalf of five people and immigration advocacy groups, alleging that DHS — which oversees Immigration and Customs Enforcement — has made unconstitutional arrests and prevented detainees’ access to attorneys.

The ruling is limited to the seven-county jurisdiction of the US Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles and surrounding areas.

Secret police disappearing people is authoritarian territory.
 
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So why weren't they there, then? And what part did Speaker Pelosi herself play in that?

-- A2SG, she was the one you claimed was responsible, did you not?
They weren’t there because Pelosi and the sergeant-at-arms decided “optics” was more important than safety.

I claimed she was part of the hierarchy that was responsible for the safety/security at the Capitol.
 
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