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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

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As they should.

No confusion or surprise here. We’ve been sounding the alarms on this administration’s slide to authoritarianism for years.
And yet there's a noticeable degree of "can't believe they're doing this!". "Can't believe they're reacting to our rioting and shooting at them this way!".
 
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And yet there's a noticeable degree of "can't believe they're doing this!". "Can't believe they're reacting to our rioting and shooting at them this way!".
Others are surprised to see any resistance to state sponsored terror.
 
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Others are surprised to see any resistance to state sponsored terror.
Well the hyperbolic outrage against law enforcement doing their job, as supposedly being nazi terrorism is pretty bizarre.
 
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The people rebelled and elected Trump.
How on earth is an election a rebellion? In your mind is the MAGA Party like unto the Rebel Alliance from the Star Wars? Is Biden somehow Darth Vader and AOC Darth Talon? I guess that makes Bernie Sanders Darth Tyrannus?

Honestly I really don't know how you can think a fair and legal election is somehow a 'rebellion'.
 
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How on earth is an election a rebellion? In your mind is the MAGA Party like unto the Rebel Alliance from the Star Wars? Is Biden somehow Darth Vader and AOC Darth Talon? I guess that makes Bernie Sanders Darth Tyrannus?

Honestly I really don't know how you can think a fair and legal election is somehow a 'rebellion'.
Very telling language.
 
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What we are seeing is anarchy and violence from the left. Supported by Democratic voters. The same voters who claim Congress created laws and Trump has to follow them.

With apparently the exception of immigration law. And when we dont like the enforcement of law we will get violent. I think its time LE arrests every single person who obstructs them and charge them with a federal crime. They need to bring in transport trucks and throw everyone in the back and haul them off to receive official federal charges and be put in jail. Felony charges should be filed with all who attack an officer.

The left has finally shown their stripes. These were people who were LEGALLY arrested. The Marijuana farm was legally raided with a warrant. So was the place in LA. All this "warrant" business from the left is all lies. They dont care about a warrant. They care about anarchy and revolution. And they are bringing it.
 
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I think its time LE arrests every single person who obstructs them and charge them with a federal crime.
Well that didn't take long. Support for the secret police rooting out undesirables is never a good look.

You see; what counts as undesirables is entirely fungible.
 
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The Biden administration was authoritarian, violating laws in an effort to gain control over the people and create a one-party system. The people rebelled and elected Trump. Now the laws are being enforced, the two-tiered justice system has been eliminated, and the radical left, losing control, is resorting to violence.
I am going to challenge this if you don't mind. Lets first define Authoritarianism:

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the concentration of power in a single leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the people. This system limits or suppresses individual freedoms and political opposition to maintain control. autocratic governments prioritize state authority and order over individual liberty.

Now let's look at what Biden had been accused of:

* Concentration and Expansion of Executive Power:
* Use of Executive Orders.
* Vaccine Mandates (during COVID-19).
* Student Loan Forgiveness.
* Media and Speech Related Concerns:
* Communication with social media companies.
* Limited press access.
* Undermining Democratic Institutions (Accusations, largely from political opponents):
* Impeachment attempts.
* Targeting political opponents (accusations).

Now just for comparison and fairness, let's look at what Trump is being accused of:

* Concentration and Expansion of Executive Power:
* Invoking and threatening emergency powers.
* Disregard for judicial orders and norms.
* Purging and politicizing government agencies.
* Threatening and eroding checks and balances.
* Suppression of Dissent and Opposition:
* Retribution against political enemies and perceived opponents.
* Attacks on the media.
* Dehumanizing language.
* Threatening protected speech.
* Undermining Democratic Institutions and Processes:
* Challenging election results and electoral integrity.
* Inciting political violence.
* Eroding norms and institutions.
* Rhetoric and Public Discourse:
* Populist and nationalist appeals.
* Scapegoating and "othering."
* Disinformation and "firehose of falsehood."

Now we can fairly judge.
 
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The Fox News video didn't give any context, like why ICE was there, why protesters were there, and why they were at a courthouse. Here's a New York Times article about it.


From the article:
In an email, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security defended the arrests. Immigrants who have a valid claim for asylum can continue with their proceedings, but those who don’t “will be subject to a swift deportation,” the spokesperson said. The department said that most immigrants who entered the United States within the past two years are subject to “expedited removal” if they could not show that they have a valid claim for credible fear of returning to their home countries.
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The courthouse arrests in San Francisco appear to be part of a new Trump administration effort to detain migrants at immigration courts immediately after hearings if they have been ordered to be deported or if their cases have been dismissed.
 
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It's abhorrent. You are supporting felonious assaults on officers. This is an evil lawless position
I support resisting tyranny. These officers aren’t here protecting the community, they’re terrorizing people and acting with impunity. People are responding to their state sanctioned lawlessness.
 
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The Fox News video didn't give any context, like why ICE was there, why protesters were there, and why they were at a courthouse. Here's a New York Times article about it.


From the article:
Inexcusable acts of obstruction and violence. That article shows the people are able to be deported and are being deported. AS BY LAW.

These leftists are anarchists and deserve to be put in prison for a long time.
 
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I support resisting tyranny. These officers aren’t here protecting the community, they’re terrorizing people and acting with impunity. People are responding to their state sanctioned lawlessness.
These officers are doing their legal job and following their legal assignments. They are not there to protect the community, they are there to protect the country from an invasion of illegal aliens.

These leftist anarchists and leftists are attacking them. They are wicked people, who commit felonious acts and your position is one of terroristic support, which is nothing but an evil position. These animals want blood. And Democrats are supporting it.
 
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These officers are doing their legal job and following their legal assignments.
A classic excuse. Has the “just following orders” line ever worked?
They are not there to protect the community,
That much is clear.
they are there to protect the country from an invasion of illegal aliens.
Yeah and who protects the public from them?
These leftist anarchists and leftists are attacking them. They are wicked people, who commit felonious acts and your position is one of terroristic support, which is nothing but an evil position. These animals want blood. And Democrats are supporting it.
:yawn:
 
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A classic excuse. Has the “just following orders” line ever worked?
Baloney. If you dont like rhe immigration laws then get your Democratic buddies in congress to change them. These have been the laws of the land for a very long time. And rhey are laws that have been supported by the Supreme Courr down through the years.

Your statement is totally irrelevant to the situation. Its preposterous and ridiculous thing to say.
Yeah and who protects the public from them?
They aren't doing anything to the public. The public is doing things to them. The public is terrorizing and attacking them. What a twisted and evil position.
 
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I am going to challenge this if you don't mind. Lets first define Authoritarianism:

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the concentration of power in a single leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the people. This system limits or suppresses individual freedoms and political opposition to maintain control. autocratic governments prioritize state authority and order over individual liberty.

Now let's look at what Biden had been accused of:

* Concentration and Expansion of Executive Power:
* Use of Executive Orders.
* Vaccine Mandates (during COVID-19).
* Student Loan Forgiveness.
* Media and Speech Related Concerns:
* Communication with social media companies.
* Limited press access.
* Undermining Democratic Institutions (Accusations, largely from political opponents):
* Impeachment attempts.
* Targeting political opponents (accusations).

Now just for comparison and fairness, let's look at what Trump is being accused of:

* Concentration and Expansion of Executive Power:
* Invoking and threatening emergency powers.
* Disregard for judicial orders and norms.
* Purging and politicizing government agencies.
* Threatening and eroding checks and balances.
* Suppression of Dissent and Opposition:
* Retribution against political enemies and perceived opponents.
* Attacks on the media.
* Dehumanizing language.
* Threatening protected speech.
* Undermining Democratic Institutions and Processes:
* Challenging election results and electoral integrity.
* Inciting political violence.
* Eroding norms and institutions.
* Rhetoric and Public Discourse:
* Populist and nationalist appeals.
* Scapegoating and "othering."
* Disinformation and "firehose of falsehood."

Now we can fairly judge.
You have much reversed. The attack on freedom of speech and free of religion under the Biden regime, attacks on core Constitutional rights, was overt. The administration even came up with their version of a "Truth ministry" with that Mary Poppins woman but the public outrage shut down that effort. English grammar was forcibly being changed to embrace self-identification with pronouns in order to thwart simple biological male/female identity--an attack against Judeo-Christian culture. Pro-lifers were being imprisoned for praying, and moms and dads who spoke up at school boards were being punished. The state in many cases tried to establish the right to change gender-identity and conceal it from parents. None of these were "accusations," that was the reality. Anything using carbon-based fuel, the main fuel used by the U.S. was derided and electric cars were being foisted upon the people with the elimination of gas stoves and gas mowers soon to come. Judges were giving Trump supporters outrageous sentences because of their political belief and liberals who committed similar offenses were not even prosecuted--a two-tiered justice system. A Trump sign in your yard meant victims of hurricane disasters did not get federal help. The government was heavily and illegally colluding with social media, perpetrating various hoaxes, in order to get Trump defeated in the election. During the election season the number one candidate for president received a gag order while those involved in the case were allowed to deride him in public, the right of a defendant to defend himself is a core Constitutional principal. State officials tried to interfere in the federal election by tying Trump up in court. Supreme Court justices were openly threatened by a Democratic Party leader. History was being erased by the removal of statues and far beyond. Racism was re-introduces into government through DEI and CRT initiatives. Border laws were violated by the administration while they lied to the public and claimed the border was safe, secure, and closed. Police were demonized and the defund the police movement became a mantra. Rioters on the left were rarely punished. A man who failing mentally was propped up and lied for by Democrats in order to keep power, which a number of Democrats finally had to admit as a result of the debate. The Democratic Party in the United States is the largest political party and the election was theirs to lose, and the aforementioned points caused a man who wise widely HATED by Democrats and their allies to be elected president.
 
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They aren't doing anything to the public.
That’s where you’re wrong and if you’d just talk to some of the people living here under this occupation you’d find they are terrorizing us. Of course, you’d first have to care what we think and feel about the situation. I get a strong feeling you don’t.
 
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