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Protestors confront ICE agents outside immigration court in San Francisco--VIDEO

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So often the major media portrays these people as "protestors" or the clashes as "mostly peaceful protests." Judge for yourself.
What am I supposed to see here? I see a community responding to a bunch of armed, masked thugs behaving like a violent gang.
 
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What am I supposed to see here? I see a community responding to a bunch of armed, masked thugs behaving like a violent gang.
Are you a journalist for a major publication? If not you could be.
 
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"The left" also pay taxes. How would you call a situation in which the will and wishes of local people and local governments are getting crushed by military force?
Their wish appears to be to obstruct federal law enforcement and incite citizens to be their vigilante militia of obstruction. The more they obstruct the law, the more law enforcement they'll encounter.
 
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Their wish appears to be to obstruct federal law enforcement and incite citizens to be their vigilante militia of obstruction. The more they obstruct the law, the more law enforcement they'll encounter.
I find it amusing that Americans boast they own guns and that this protects them against authoritarian federal government. But when federal government forces its will upon local people, the same people cheer it and are against any obstructions.
 
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I find it amusing that Americans boast they own guns and that this protects them against authoritarian federal government. But when federal government forces its will upon local people, the same people cheer it and are against any obstructions.
That's because the will of those local people supporting law enforcement is to have illegal aliens removed.
 
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That's because the will of those local people supporting law enforcement is to have illegal aliens removed.
I found that Americans are in majority very partisan. And they do not care about principles, about right or wrong, as long as "their own" are in power.
 
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I found that Americans are in majority very partisan. And they do not care about principles, about right or wrong, as long as "their own" are in power.
The need for border control and deportation was reasonably bipartisan. Clinton and Obama give speeches in favor of deportation and they applauded. So this newfound moral outrage looks manufactured.
 
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The need for border control and deportation was reasonably bipartisan. Clinton and Obama give speeches in favor of deportation and they applauded. So this newfound moral outrage looks manufactured.
I do not think it looks manufactured. It simply looks that politicians actually did not ask the communities what they think about it. And now they found out.

Immigrants can be a problem in some specific places, but needed and wanted in other places. Forced general deportations everywhere does not seem to take this into consideration.
 
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I find it amusing that Americans boast they own guns and that this protects them against authoritarian federal government. But when federal government forces its will upon local people, the same people cheer it and are against any obstructions.
The Biden administration was authoritarian, violating laws in an effort to gain control over the people and create a one-party system. The people rebelled and elected Trump. Now the laws are being enforced, the two-tiered justice system has been eliminated, and the radical left, losing control, is resorting to violence.
 
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I do not think it looks manufactured. It simply looks that politicians actually did not ask the communities what they think about it. And now they found out.

Immigrants can be a problem in some specific places, but needed and wanted in other places. Forced general deportations everywhere does not seem to take this into consideration.
Border control and immigration are federal matters, not community matters.
 
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The Biden administration was authoritarian, violating laws in an effort to gain control over the people and create a one-party system. The people rebelled and elected Trump. Now the laws are being enforced, the two-tiered justice system has been eliminated, and the radical left, losing control, is resorting to violence.
A prime example of partisanship. Biden bad, Trump good.
 
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I do not think it looks manufactured. It simply looks that politicians actually did not ask the communities what they think about it. And now they found out.

Immigrants can be a problem in some specific places, but needed and wanted in other places. Forced general deportations everywhere does not seem to take this into consideration.
I'm sure they already knew what to expect from the outrage camp. None of it comes as any surprise to the rest of us.
 
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I'm sure they already knew what to expect from the outrage camp. None of it comes as any surprise to the rest of us.
"the outrage camp" vs "the rest of us" - again, partisanship.
 
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"the outrage camp" vs "the rest of us" - again, partisanship.
It's a counter culture issue. Being woke being progressive means going against the normative, the status quo, long held tradition.
 
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It's a counter culture issue. Being woke being progressive means going against the normative, the status quo, long held tradition.
Which says nothing about what is right and what is wrong. And guess what - most probably all sides will be right in something and wrong in something else. That is why dialog is needed and multiparty system is better than two party system.

And tons of checks and balances. Not a concentrated power on one side.
 
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ICE keeps being confronted by mobs, ritors, and shooters.
As they should.
And then the left acts confused and aghast as to why the military was called in.
No confusion or surprise here. We’ve been sounding the alarms on this administration’s slide to authoritarianism for years.
 
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