Does the "reign in the influence of Israel" movement need a Tucker Carlson to be credible?

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-07-11T15:28:42-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
Quit the concern trolling.

It is not intended as trolling, but rather to demonstrate what is perceived as hypocrisy within the international community.

For 20 years, while Hamas controlled and oppressed the Palestinian people—impoverishing its people and launching rockets at Isreal—the world remained silent. There were no protests in London or on college campuses, and few expressed concern for the Palestinian people.

Suddenly, the world now cares about the Palestinian people.

The outcry today is nothing but crocodile tears.

Desk trauma · 2025-07-11T15:31:08-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
So Hamas was killing their own people?

Where was the outcry when Hamas was killing their own people?

You would have to check articles and cometary from nineteen years ago. I don’t keep things that old handy.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-07-11T15:36:54-0500

Desk trauma said:
You would have to check articles and cometary from nineteen years ago. I don’t keep things that old handy.

Why do you have to go back 19 years ago. The war didn’t start until October 2023.

Was Hamas oppressing its people before October 23? Where was the outcry then?

RocksInMyHead · 2025-07-11T15:38:28-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Suddenly, the world now cares about the Palestinian people.

Kill enough people in a short period of time, and the world notices.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-07-11T15:50:42-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
Kill enough people in a short period of time, and the world notices.

If this is the standard, protests about Sudan should be visible on London’s streets. In 2023, 20,000 Sudanese died, with another 18,000 in 2024 and over 10.9 million people displaced last year—almost ten times the number affected in Gaza.

FYI -
Between 2003 and 2009, over 200,000 people died, and between 1983 and 2005, another 2 million deaths were recorded.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-07-11T15:51:43-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
It is not intended as trolling, but rather to demonstrate what is perceived as hypocrisy within the international community.

What, exactly, is hypocritical about correcting your repeated insistence that Hamas winning an election in 2006 has any bearing on the disposition of the Palestinian people in 2025?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
For 20 years, while Hamas controlled and oppressed the Palestinian people—impoverishing its people and launching rockets at Isreal—the world remained silent. There were no protests in London or on college campuses, and few expressed concern for the Palestinian people.

That's not true at all:

Pro-Palestinian protest stops traffic in central London

About 150 people join London Palestine Action occupation of Oxford Circus in protest against British arms sales to Israel

www.theguardian.com

PHOTOS: 10,000 march on White House to protest Gaza offensive - +972 Magazine

Thousands converge on Washington, D.C. to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Text and photos by: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org Some 10,000 activists converged on the White House in Washington, D.C. this weekend to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Politico reported that the event may...

www.972mag.com

Thousands march in Jerusalem rally

Demonstrators protest eviction of Palestinians from their homes in favour of Jewish settlers.

www.aljazeera.com

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
If this is the standard, protests about Sudan should be visible on London’s streets. In 2023, 20,000 Sudanese died, with another 18,000 in 2024 and over 10.9 million people displaced last year—almost ten times the number affected in Gaza.

FYI -
Between 2003 and 2009, over 200,000 people died, and between 1983 and 2005, another 2 million deaths were recorded.

Are the Sudanese forces being supported by Western governments? People protest things that they think they can change.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-07-11T16:05:52-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
What, exactly, is hypocritical about correcting your repeated insistence that Hamas winning an election in 2006 has any bearing on the disposition of the Palestinian people in 2025?

That's not true at all:

Pro-Palestinian protest stops traffic in central London

About 150 people join London Palestine Action occupation of Oxford Circus in protest against British arms sales to Israel

www.theguardian.com

PHOTOS: 10,000 march on White House to protest Gaza offensive - +972 Magazine

Thousands converge on Washington, D.C. to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Text and photos by: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org Some 10,000 activists converged on the White House in Washington, D.C. this weekend to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Politico reported that the event may...

www.972mag.com

Thousands march in Jerusalem rally

Demonstrators protest eviction of Palestinians from their homes in favour of Jewish settlers.

www.aljazeera.com

Are the Sudanese forces being supported by Western governments? People protest things that they think they can change.

All of these protests you posted are demonstrations against Israel; none appear to address what Hamas did to their own people.

And that is precisely my point. the world looked the other way when Hamas killed their own people.

You have stated that the Sudanese genocide is not a priority because the Sudanese government does not have the support of Western powers.

This demonstrates a pattern where global responses to injustice appear to be more prominent when Israel is involved. Some might call that anti-sematic.

Desk trauma · 2025-07-11T16:10:49-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Why do you have to go back 19 years ago.

You asked about where the outrage was about hamas murdering opponents to consolidate power in 06. You would need to check articles from that time.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T16:33:18-0500

Desk trauma said:
That precludes people from disagreeing with the actions of the Israeli government and protesting?

Not at all. But it does preclude making Hamas a victim.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T16:35:03-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
To add some context:

During their legislative session/elections in 2006...

The only choices they had were
Fatah (a corrupt nationalist party that was fractured)
Hamas (an Islamist group)

(and Hamas only won by a small majority)

Well now they have a new opportunity. And they are still millions strong protesting in support of HAMAS.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-07-11T16:41:51-0500

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
You have stated that the Sudanese genocide is not a priority because the Sudanese government does not have the support of Western powers.

This demonstrates a pattern where global responses to injustice appear to be more prominent when Israel is involved. Some might call that anti-sematic.

This is a truly baffling leap of logic. As I said, people tend to protest things that they can change - that is, actions undertaken or supported by their own government.

At least you acknowledge that it is injustice though. Small progress.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:10:18-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
What, exactly, is hypocritical about correcting your repeated insistence that Hamas winning an election in 2006 has any bearing on the disposition of the Palestinian people in 2025?

That's not true at all:

Pro-Palestinian protest stops traffic in central London

About 150 people join London Palestine Action occupation of Oxford Circus in protest against British arms sales to Israel

www.theguardian.com

PHOTOS: 10,000 march on White House to protest Gaza offensive - +972 Magazine

Thousands converge on Washington, D.C. to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Text and photos by: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org Some 10,000 activists converged on the White House in Washington, D.C. this weekend to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Politico reported that the event may...

www.972mag.com

Thousands march in Jerusalem rally

Demonstrators protest eviction of Palestinians from their homes in favour of Jewish settlers.

www.aljazeera.com

Are the Sudanese forces being supported by Western governments? People protest things that they think they can change.

This all support for their chosen government. If Hamas would surrender none of this would be going on.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:28:35-0500

Pommer said:
HAMAS official: Do you still support HAMAS, or would you like to ‘disappear’?
I’d probably “support HAMAS”, too, if this is the case.

All that has to dissappear is Hamas. but the palestinians support them.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:36:11-0500

Desk trauma said:
The war in Gaza.

You mean defending themselves from Palestinians.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:36:52-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
In 2006.

irrelevant.

Desk trauma · 2025-07-11T17:39:45-0500

ralliann said:
You mean defending themselves from Palestinians.

No.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:41:13-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
What, exactly, is hypocritical about correcting your repeated insistence that Hamas winning an election in 2006 has any bearing on the disposition of the Palestinian people in 2025?

That's not true at all:

Pro-Palestinian protest stops traffic in central London

About 150 people join London Palestine Action occupation of Oxford Circus in protest against British arms sales to Israel

www.theguardian.com

PHOTOS: 10,000 march on White House to protest Gaza offensive - +972 Magazine

Thousands converge on Washington, D.C. to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Text and photos by: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org Some 10,000 activists converged on the White House in Washington, D.C. this weekend to protest Israel’s offensive on Gaza. Politico reported that the event may...

www.972mag.com

Thousands march in Jerusalem rally

Demonstrators protest eviction of Palestinians from their homes in favour of Jewish settlers.

www.aljazeera.com

Are the Sudanese forces being supported by Western governments? People protest things that they think they can change.

they have not protested Hamas election . They don't want a change obviously. They have said so loud and clear.

Desk trauma · 2025-07-11T17:41:21-0500

ralliann said:
irrelevant.

Relevant as what’s under discussion is calling hamas the elected representatives of Gaza when they abolished elections after gaining power.

ralliann · 2025-07-11T17:54:00-0500

Desk trauma said:
Relevant as what’s under discussion is calling hamas the elected representatives of Gaza when they abolished elections after gaining power.

It is not relevant. They support, have been supporting Hamas loudly, openly, and continually. An election is irrelevant.

Desk trauma · 2025-07-11T17:57:38-0500

ralliann said:
It is not relevant. They support, have been supporting Hamas loudly, openly, and continually. An election is irrelevant.

It’s quite relevant if one is calling them elected representatives when no such elections are held.

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