Is This The New Normal?

Vambram · Jul 7, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Why? Why do you wish to see our country turned into a police state?

Obama somehow managed to do just that at greater numbers and never had to turn any US city into Falujah to get it done.

I don’t believe you. If you support terrorizing American citizens with their own military like this, I highly doubt you’re gonna be so welcoming to foreigners.

The Obama administration’s deportations mostly happened at the borders because President Obama followed the immigration law, unlike President Biden. Under the Obama administration, illegal immigrants were detained, held at detention centers, and then deported out of the USA.

Any American citizens who feel like they are being terrorized by ICE are a much, much smaller number of Americans as compared to American citizens who are agreeing with these deportations which are the result of the lawless and immoral illegal immigration policies of the Biden administration, in my opinion.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
The Americans are being terrorized by the left with their rhetoric.

“Terrorized with rhetoric” doesn’t seem as bad as being terrorized with a militarized force sweeping through their cities, abducting people left and right.

rjs330 said:
There's no reason to be terrorized by agents doing theit job. Unless of course there is a group of people in cluding politicians telling them they should be afraid.

Quote these politicians.

People are responding, not to what politicians are saying but what is happening in our communities every day. If you’re only listening to politicians then you have no clue what’s actually happening on the ground here and around the country.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 7, 2025

Vambram said:
The Obama administration’s deportations mostly happened at the borders because President Obama followed the immigration law,

Interesting.

When Obama was president the line from the right was he wasn’t doing anything about illegal immigration. In fact, that was the whole point of Trump’s election in 2016. That’s why he made it the central point of his entire campaign.

Vambram said:
Under the Obama administration, illegal immigrants were detained, held at detention centers, and then deported out of the USA.

Correct. No need to militarize American cities. Just a president doing his job while respecting American sovereignty and civil rights. That’s not what we have now.

Vambram said:
Any American citizens who feel like they are being terrorized by ICE are a much, much smaller number of Americans as compared to American citizens who are agreeing with these deportations which are the result of the lawless and immoral illegal immigration policies of the Biden administration, in my opinion.

In your opinion, if a group is small enough their injustices can just be ignored.

actionsub · Jul 7, 2025

With apologies to Jim Webb and Richard Harris:

MacArthur Park is getting pretty stark
Immigration agents running round
Rounding up Hispanics in the rain

I don't think that we can take it
It'll be tough to unmake it
Can we please return to normal all again?

Vambram · Jul 7, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Interesting.

When Obama was president the line from the right was he wasn’t doing anything about illegal immigration. In fact, that was the whole point of Trump’s election in 2016. That’s why he made it the central point of his entire campaign.

Correct. No need to militarize American cities. Just a president doing his job while respecting American sovereignty and civil rights. That’s not what we have now.

In your opinion, if a group is small enough their injustices can just be ignored.

What you believe is injustice in those situations is more often than not only people allowing themselves to give into their fears.

MrMoe · Jul 7, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Why? Why do you wish to see our country turned into a police state?

This isn’t a police state, this is the law being enforced.

GoldenBoy89 said:
Obama somehow managed to do just that at greater numbers and never had to turn any US city into Falujah to get it done.

How do you know? Do you have ice raid footage from Obama’s administration to compare it to?

GoldenBoy89 said:
I don’t believe you. If you support terrorizing American citizens with their own military like this, I highly doubt you’re gonna be so welcoming to foreigners.

Pure fear mongering spin worthy of MSNBC. If you are American citizen you have nothing to worry from ice and can go about your day.

RileyG · Jul 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
I hope this is the new normal. Round the illegals up and send them home. We are happy to have people come if they apply to come here legally.

Its not enforcing an agenda. Its enforcing the law and against lawlessness.

I do believe in compassion and have respect for those who are here legally.

If people are here illegally, it's their own fault.

Well said, sir!

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 8, 2025

MrMoe said:
This isn’t a police state, this is the law being enforced.

That's what the pro police state people always say. Kinda the whole point, really.

MrMoe said:
How do you know? Do you have ice raid footage from Obama’s administration to compare it to?

I know I've never seen military deployed to sweep a park in the middle of the day for no apparent reason. Where have you seen this happen before?

MrMoe said:
Pure fear mongering spin worthy of MSNBC.

Thanks? lol.

MrMoe said:
If you are American citizen you have nothing to worry from ice and can go about your day.

Unless your day involves goin to the park. Or working at a car wash. Or walking down the street of your own neighborhood. Or wishing to exist not in a perpetual police state just because people like you feel safer that way.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 8, 2025

RileyG said:
If people are here illegally, it's their own fault.

How does the existence of undocumented people here justify deploying the military to a park in LA? What are you even talking about here?

rjs330 · Jul 8, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
How does the existence of undocumented people here justify deploying the military to a park in LA? What are you even talking about here?

It's justified because Americans and illegals have attacked agents for doing their job. If they would leave them alone this wouldn't be necessary.

Tropical Wilds · Jul 8, 2025

rjs330 said:
I hope they do come back and throw everyone in jail that obstructs them.

They haven’t and every time they’ve blocked it, the local police have looked on or participated. Sorry, no being excited over the death of civil liberties for you today.

rjs330 · Jul 8, 2025

Tropical Wilds said:
They haven’t and every time they’ve blocked it, the local police have looked on or participated. Sorry, no being excited over the death of civil liberties for you today.

One can only hope. And there is no civil liberty that allows you to prevent LE from doing their their job.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 8, 2025

rjs330 said:
It's justified because Americans and illegals have attacked agents for doing their job. If they would leave them alone this wouldn't be necessary.

It’s just bizarre how comfortable some of you are with living in an apparent police state. Shows how all that tough guy second amendment talk from the right is just that. All talk.

rjs330 · Jul 8, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
It’s just bizarre how comfortable some of you are with living in an apparent police state. Shows how all that tough guy second amendment talk from the right is just that. All talk.

Whats bizarre is how some of you are okay with attacking people for doing their job. You know good and well its legal to have immigration laws and enforce them. We don't have a police state. Thats just more leftist rhetoric. And it is what helps push the violence against those trying to enforce a constitutional law.

Tropical Wilds · Jul 8, 2025

rjs330 said:
One can only hope. And there is no civil liberty that allows you to prevent LE from doing their their job.

If a protest makes it harder for ICE to get through, then oh well. Our town is a sanctuary city, designated as such through popular vote in 2017, and they know that based on the little shoutout we got from Homeland Security. So they can keep on moving.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Jul 8, 2025

JosephZ said:
It's un-American and dangerous. No American should support activities like this taking place on our streets and in public parks.

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"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

Pastor Martin Niemöller

DaisyDay · Jul 8, 2025

rjs330 said:
The Americans are being terrorized by the left with their rhetoric.

Really, terrorized by rhetoric?

rjs330 said:
There's no reason to be terrorized by agents doing theit job.

Those aren't agents doing their job - that is the military sicced on civilians.

rjs330 said:
Unless of course there is a group of people in cluding politicians telling them they should be afraid.

Trump’s Consistent Message Online and Onstage: Be Afraid

Donald Trump has long used fear as a tool to stir up his conservative base. He’s taking his doomsday approach to a new extreme, predicting World War III and other catastrophes.[/url]

It's the current administration's go-to tool of the trade.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Jul 8, 2025

rjs330 said:
I hope this is the new normal. Round the illegals up and send them home. We are happy to have people come if they apply to come here legally.

Its not enforcing an agenda. Its enforcing the law and against lawlessness.

Fair enough.

Ensure enforcement of immigration laws according to legal procedures regarding undocumented individuals.

But, do we lack sufficient federal and local law enforcement to do the job? Is it necessary to deploy the US military on our streets as authoritarian regimes do? Should ICE agents mask themselves and dress like Iran's Revolutionary Guard to enforce the law?

rjs330 · Jul 8, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"

Pastor Martin Niemöller

I guess we cant have any laws then. Because tgey will come for you if you break them, and i guess we should speak out against anyone being arrested.

In this case, lets just eliminate immigration laws altogether. We dont need a border. Come one come all.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Jul 8, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
I don’t believe you. If you support terrorizing American citizens with their own military like this, I highly doubt you’re gonna be so welcoming to foreigners.

Never believe everyone who say they support legal immigration.

It is like when someone say “ I am not racist, I have a black friend’.

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