Catholic (Christian) response to immigration.

LizaMarie · Jun 11, 2025

There are several reasons I no longer identify as a Republican these days, but I can't be a Democrat either. I've been agreeing a lot with the ASP, and voted for them (write-in in my state) in 2024. I'm conservative, pro life, pro small government, pro traditional values, marriage,etc, 2nd amendment and so forth. So my home was in the Republican party. I just don't like the rhetoric against immigrants since 2016, even though I agree wholeheartedly that we of course must secure our border, vet who comes in here, (especially since 9/11)deport violent criminals and gang members and protect our own citizens. But I always felt Trump's rhetoric went beyond that even though I did vote for him in '16 and '20, as a loyal Republican. I'm not Catholic but I find myself agreeing with the new Pope's statements on immigrants, and don't like what I'm seeing under 47. Two things can be true at the same time. Of course violence is never the answer and these morons committing violent acts against law enforcement should be arrested and charged, and I have been vocal on these forums against the J6 offenders. but I was appalled at shipping people to a gulag in EL Salvador without due process, I'm sorry.
My question is, the RCC says to welcome immigrants and migrants, right, as long as they are legal and do it the right way?
thoughts? I always thought the RCC was pro immigrant. My own confessional Lutheran church welcomes immigrants too,(see front cover of June issue of our denominational newletter) but we are not as vocal.

tz620q · Jun 19, 2025

LizaMarie said:
There are several reasons I no longer identify as a Republican these days, but I can't be a Democrat either. I've been agreeing a lot with the ASP, and voted for them (write-in in my state) in 2024. I'm conservative, pro life, pro small government, pro traditional values, marriage,etc, 2nd amendment and so forth. So my home was in the Republican party. I just don't like the rhetoric against immigrants since 2016, even though I agree wholeheartedly that we of course must secure our border, vet who comes in here, (especially since 9/11)deport violent criminals and gang members and protect our own citizens. But I always felt Trump's rhetoric went beyond that even though I did vote for him in '16 and '20, as a loyal Republican. I'm not Catholic but I find myself agreeing with the new Pope's statements on immigrants, and don't like what I'm seeing under 47. Two things can be true at the same time. Of course violence is never the answer and these morons committing violent acts against law enforcement should be arrested and charged, and I have been vocal on these forums against the J6 offenders. but I was appalled at shipping people to a gulag in EL Salvador without due process, I'm sorry.
My question is, the RCC says to welcome immigrants and migrants, right, as long as they are legal and do it the right way?
thoughts? I always thought the RCC was pro immigrant. My own confessional Lutheran church welcomes immigrants too,(see front cover of June issue of our denominational newletter) but we are not as vocal.

As you say, two things can be true at the same time. My Catholic church has a free clinic and food pantry that does not check immigration status before giving aid. Our call to help others that are in need is based on their being human, not on political considerations. That being said, we should also not try to shield people who are here illegally from federal immigration officers. The Democrats that are protesting ICE now are like someone who starts a fire, stokes it, and then lays down in front of the fire engine when it comes to put it out. It puts to the lie their rhetoric that this is not a sustained effort to open the borders of the U.S. to any and all that can pay the cartels to get them here.

As far as the J6 rioters, I think there are a lot of Republicans that do not agree with President Trump's blanket pardon of all J6 indictments. My opinion is that everyone would have been in favor of pardons for non-violent offenses.

Wolseley · Jun 19, 2025

tz620q said:
The Democrats....are like someone who starts a fire, stokes it, and then lays down in front of the fire engine when it comes to put it out.

A proverb for the last sixty years. Solid, golden truth, every single word.

Valletta · Jun 19, 2025

LizaMarie said:
There are several reasons I no longer identify as a Republican these days, but I can't be a Democrat either. I've been agreeing a lot with the ASP, and voted for them (write-in in my state) in 2024. I'm conservative, pro life, pro small government, pro traditional values, marriage,etc, 2nd amendment and so forth. So my home was in the Republican party. I just don't like the rhetoric against immigrants since 2016, even though I agree wholeheartedly that we of course must secure our border, vet who comes in here, (especially since 9/11)deport violent criminals and gang members and protect our own citizens. But I always felt Trump's rhetoric went beyond that even though I did vote for him in '16 and '20, as a loyal Republican. I'm not Catholic but I find myself agreeing with the new Pope's statements on immigrants, and don't like what I'm seeing under 47. Two things can be true at the same time. Of course violence is never the answer and these morons committing violent acts against law enforcement should be arrested and charged, and I have been vocal on these forums against the J6 offenders. but I was appalled at shipping people to a gulag in EL Salvador without due process, I'm sorry.
My question is, the RCC says to welcome immigrants and migrants, right, as long as they are legal and do it the right way?
thoughts? I always thought the RCC was pro immigrant. My own confessional Lutheran church welcomes immigrants too,(see front cover of June issue of our denominational newletter) but we are not as vocal.

The rhetoric has been against ILLEGAL immigration, not against immigrants. Democrats have had a horrible history in preventing immigrants who faced persecution, particularly in communist countries, from coming to America. They denied the genocides that were going on and sometimes even praised brutal communist regimes. Many died who should have been admitted into our country. In this situation they wanted future Democrat votes, so they illegally swamped the country with 10 million plus during the Biden regime, which enriched the cartels and gangs (who gained a much stronger foothold in America) and brought slavery (human trafficking) to levels not seen since the Civil War. For years Democrat leaders flat out lied and said they borders were safe, secure, and closed. If there were real justice all of those who enabled the illegal immigration would be stripped of citizenship and banished from our country and made to reapply while immigrants took their place here. I feel sorry for the good ones who were lured in. But unfortunately we need to enforce the law and make everyone apply legally for citizenship. Trump and conservatives are pro-immigration, but against illegal immigration.

LizaMarie · Jun 21, 2025

Valletta said:
The rhetoric has been against ILLEGAL immigration, not against immigrants. Democrats have had a horrible history in preventing immigrants who faced persecution, particularly in communist countries, from coming to America. They denied the genocides that were going on and sometimes even praised brutal communist regimes. Many died who should have been admitted into our country. In this situation they wanted future Democrat votes, so they illegally swamped the country with 10 million plus during the Biden regime, which enriched the cartels and gangs (who gained a much stronger foothold in America) and brought slavery (human trafficking) to levels not seen since the Civil War. For years Democrat leaders flat out lied and said they borders were safe, secure, and closed. If there were real justice all of those who enabled the illegal immigration would be stripped of citizenship and banished from our country and made to reapply while immigrants took their place here. I feel sorry for the good ones who were lured in. But unfortunately we need to enforce the law and make everyone apply legally for citizenship. Trump and conservatives are pro-immigration, but against illegal immigration.

I basically agree with the first part of your statement. Both parties have not enforced the immigration laws already on the books, and Biden was terrible in that regard(I believe he just wanted to reverse everthing Trump did in his first term.)This is why the Dems lost and Trump won, to a large degree.
We had a good bipartisian immigration bill a year or so ago that would have gone a long way to help matters, but Trump unfortunately pressured the Republicans in Congress to reject it so he would have something to run on in '24. Both parties really don't want to do anything, they just want to point fingers at each other.
I totally support getting rid of criminal illegal aliens and violent gang members, and securing our borders, most expecially in a post 9/11 world and vetting people that come in here.
I'm pro-immigrant as long as it's done legally. I have not supported the extreme measures used though, including rounding up people and shipping them to a foreign gulag without due process. Non-citizens do have a right to due process, maybe not to the extent that citizens do. And yes, if you're here illegally and committing crimes you must be deported.
I was very dissappointed in the "eating the dogs and cats" rhetoric is what I'm talking about, coming from our Vice President, which turned out to be false!

Valletta · Jun 21, 2025

Democrat senators stalled, for over one year, the border reform bill passed by the House. Much due to public outrage, they had to do something, instead have working on their own version of that bill, they came up with a new bill that would have allowed 5000 a day IN to the country before anything needed to be done. It was a con by the Democrats, a hoax in an effort to save face, and would have allowed the Biden administration to process even MORE people into the country. Their bill was dead on arrival, Trump wisely let the House know what would happen if it passed, but Trump's words were not needed. In the end although the House Republicans pushed hard for reform, they were held up by radical Democrat senators. The vice-president merely repeated what constituents had told his office, we don't know whether it was true or false.
Finally, it is a crime to be here illegally. I too would like to see the most violent criminals deported first, but Democrats are trying to slow the process, 3000 a day deported will be small enough so that their scheme against the American people works.

Valletta · Jun 25, 2025

tz620q said:
As you say, two things can be true at the same time. My Catholic church has a free clinic and food pantry that does not check immigration status before giving aid. Our call to help others that are in need is based on their being human, not on political considerations. That being said, we should also not try to shield people who are here illegally from federal immigration officers. The Democrats that are protesting ICE now are like someone who starts a fire, stokes it, and then lays down in front of the fire engine when it comes to put it out. It puts to the lie their rhetoric that this is not a sustained effort to open the borders of the U.S. to any and all that can pay the cartels to get them here.

As far as the J6 rioters, I think there are a lot of Republicans that do not agree with President Trump's blanket pardon of all J6 indictments. My opinion is that everyone would have been in favor of pardons for non-violent offenses.

Of course Trump supporters are against violence. The problem with the sentences was that almost every one was excessive because of political motivation, and some non-violent offenders were truly political prisoners. If someone pushed a cop I would give them jail time, hitting a cop with a foreign object would rightly mean years in prison. All told most had already served beyond what they should have, there was a tiny number of cases where maybe they had or maybe they had not, so a blanket pardon was decided upon.

LizaMarie · Jul 6, 2025

I 100% support secure borders, as I said earlier. Most definitely in a post 9/11. world. Heck, I even support a border wall(which has not been built as promised, not completely. ) And violent criminals need to be deported.
But everyone on American soil has a right to due process, maybe citizens have more rights here than non citizens, but non citizens do have rights.
They are human beings, and have at least a right to due process.
The way these deportations are being done is alarming. Masked and plain clothed agents snatching people off the street, flying them to a gulag in El Salvador where Bukele bragged they are never coming out except in a pine box(and word has come back that beatings and torture are performed there on a regular basis) and now all this bragging about "Aligator Alcatraz." This is not Christian, I'm sorry.
The U.S. has always been about civil and human rights, we haven't always lived up to it, true, but we do aspire to it.
Snatching people off the street with no due process is more like something our foreign adversaries would do.
I do realize that the Biden administration was terrible about immigration but unfortunately the pendulum has swung the other way.

Valletta · Jul 6, 2025

LizaMarie said:
I 100% support secure borders, as I said earlier. Most definitely in a post 9/11. world. Heck, I even support a border wall(which has not been built as promised, not completely. ) And violent criminals need to be deported.
But everyone on American soil has a right to due process, maybe citizens have more rights here than non citizens, but non citizens do have rights.
They are human beings, and have at least a right to due process.
The way these deportations are being done is alarming. Masked and plain clothed agents snatching people off the street, flying them to a gulag in El Salvador where Bukele bragged they are never coming out except in a pine box(and word has come back that beatings and torture are performed there on a regular basis) and now all this bragging about "Aligator Alcatraz." This is not Christian, I'm sorry.
The U.S. has always been about civil and human rights, we haven't always lived up to it, true, but we do aspire to it.
Snatching people off the street with no due process is more like something our foreign adversaries would do.
I do realize that the Biden administration was terrible about immigration but unfortunately the pendulum has swung the other way.

When does a person get due process? If a person lunges past the border guards and plants a foot on U.S. soil does he or she have the right to due process? The Supreme Court has in the past ruled otherwise. Likewise the Supreme Court in the past has ruled that people here illegally do not have the same due process as others. It has been the policy of the U.S. government through many administrations to protect certain federal officers who may be at risk and/or their families would be at risk if their identities are revealed. The media has made it sound like this was not the case. We have seen the violence against officers skyrocket much due to the inflammatory statements of Democrat leaders. Many in the Democratic Party are still furious they lost the election. Violence is not the answer. I think Democrats should get together with the Republicans to allow more immigrants into our country through the LEGAL process.

LizaMarie · Jul 6, 2025

All persons on American soil have the right to due process due to the 5th and 14th amendment. It is true that non citizens do not have the same rights as citizens. But people being grabbed off the street and thrown in a gulag reminds me more of North Korea not the US. Yes Democrats and Republicans should work together but they don’t sadly they would rather blame each other than actually fix the problem. There was a bill that would have gone a certain ways toward fixing the problem but Trump pressured the Republicans in Congress to reject it so he could run against the Biden administration’s terrible record on immigration

ralliann · Jul 6, 2025

Valletta said:
The rhetoric has been against ILLEGAL immigration, not against immigrants. Democrats have had a horrible history in preventing immigrants who faced persecution, particularly in communist countries, from coming to America. They denied the genocides that were going on and sometimes even praised brutal communist regimes. Many died who should have been admitted into our country. In this situation they wanted future Democrat votes, so they illegally swamped the country with 10 million plus during the Biden regime, which enriched the cartels and gangs (who gained a much stronger foothold in America) and brought slavery (human trafficking) to levels not seen since the Civil War. For years Democrat leaders flat out lied and said they borders were safe, secure, and closed. If there were real justice all of those who enabled the illegal immigration would be stripped of citizenship and banished from our country and made to reapply while immigrants took their place here. I feel sorry for the good ones who were lured in. But unfortunately we need to enforce the law and make everyone apply legally for citizenship. Trump and conservatives are pro-immigration, but against illegal immigration.

They also did not want Cubans. They were conservative people escaping Castro.

ralliann · Jul 6, 2025

LizaMarie said:
All persons on American soil have the right to due process due to the 5th and 14th amendment. It is true that non citizens do not have the same rights as citizens. But people being grabbed off the street and thrown in a gulag reminds me more of North Korea not the US.

Gulag? Come on!
You do realize these people are being offered money and transportation expenses to self deport don't you? That is quite kind. Those caught who refuse this, should be deported, and have no more opportunity for citizenship ever. Nothing wrong with that.

LizaMarie · Jul 6, 2025

ralliann said:
Gulag? Come on!
You do realize these people are being offered money and transportation expenses to self deport don't you? That is quite kind. Those caught who refuse this, should be deported, and have no more opportunity for citizenship ever. Nothing wrong with that.

I am talking about shipping people to a gulag in El Salvador, with no due process and no way to get out. I have no problem with those here illegally being deport to their country of origin. Now a group of men were shipped to South Sudan, none of whom are originally from that country, to a prison there. What was wrong with sending back to their countries of origin?
Again, I have no problem with securing the border, the remain in Mexico policy, most people want to see that enforced.

LizaMarie · Jul 6, 2025

Panic is not an immigration policy Good article here. Agree with all he said.

Valletta · Jul 6, 2025

LizaMarie said:
There was a bill that would have gone a certain ways toward fixing the problem but Trump pressured the Republicans in Congress to reject it so he could run against the Biden administration’s terrible record on immigration

You are misinformed. The House passed a bill for border reform, and Democrats in the Senate held that bill up for over a year. Enough political pressure was put on Democrats that some Senators came up with their own new bill. That bill simply continued the Biden policy of letting in even more people while Democrat leaders made various outrageous and false claims--that the border was safe, secure, and closed, that Biden could not do anything more without legislation, etc. What the bill would have done is to give more money to processing more people INTO our country and only have some token actions taken when over 5000 a day crossed our border--essentially codifying the disastrous Biden polices. That horrible bill would have been dead in arrival in the House, but Trump wisely made sure by urging people not to vote for it.

ralliann · Jul 6, 2025

LizaMarie said:
I am talking about shipping people to a gulag in El Salvador, with no due process and no way to get out.

If that is their home country why not?

LizaMarie said:
I have no problem with those here illegally being deport to their country of origin. Now a group of men were shipped to South Sudan, none of whom are originally from that country, to a prison there.

Because their own would not take them?

LizaMarie said:
What was wrong with sending back to their countries of origin?

If they will not take them, then others will.

LizaMarie said:
Again, I have no problem with securing the border, the remain in Mexico policy, most people want to see that enforced.

Mexico would not do it under Biden. Look, these people have been offered help to self deport, back home. If they wait and their country won't take them, that is on them and their government , not the U.S.

ralliann · Jul 6, 2025

Valletta said:
You are misinformed. The House passed a bill for border reform, and Democrats in the Senate held that bill up for over a year. Enough political pressure was put on Democrats that some Senators came up with their own new bill. That bill simply continued the Biden policy of letting in even more people while Democrat leaders made various outrageous and false claims--that the border was safe, secure, and closed, that Biden could not do anything more without legislation, etc. What the bill would have done is to give more money to processing more people INTO our country and only have some token actions taken when over 5000 a day crossed our border--essentially codifying the disastrous Biden polices. That horrible bill would have been dead in arrival in the House, but Trump wisely made sure by urging people not to vote for it.

It would have provided for a huge amount of immigration Judges. Look at what Judges are already doing. That would have been a disaster with these So called Judges. They would have done what other activist judges do. Make law (immigration law in this case) from the bench.

LizaMarie · Jul 6, 2025

ralliann said:
If that is their home country why not?

Because their own would not take them?

If they will not take them, then others will.

Mexico would not do it under Biden. Look, these people have been offered help to self deport, back home. If they wait and their country won't take them, that is on them and their government , not the U.S.

not their home country.

ralliann · Jul 6, 2025

LizaMarie said:
not their home country.

If their own country won't take them (criminals), there are other countries that will. We send them there.
As I said, they can go home on their own, with money in their pocket and transportation paid. Take them to the border, they go back. At our expense.
If they don't/won't do that, then they have CHOSEN their end.

Valletta · Jul 7, 2025

LizaMarie said:
Panic is not an immigration policy Good article here. Agree with all he said.

Laws govern immigration policy, that means laws passed by Congress. Thus, contrary to the representation in the article, the administration has set forth an immigration policy--following the law. It is important to remember that the current disastrous situation was created by the Biden administration which saw over 10 million people in four years flood our country. The number in slavery in our country, victims of human trafficking, increased to numbers not seen since the Civil War. The Biden administration didn't bother to track hundreds of thousands of children, and I fear many will never be rescued. National Security is at stake, just like money pouring into our universities from the Chinese and radical Islamists, those same entities and other outside entities supported bringing people over our border. Chinese of military age and many Islamic terrorists, not to mention other cartel members, gang members, and terrorists, are now in our country. It a mess that may take many years to solve.

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