I still owe you the promised study of the appeal of the Traditional Latin Mass from an Orthodox perspective, which I will be doing as I recover.
I would also note that Vatican II is not in my opinion the problem; I agree with Sacrosanctum Concilium almost in its entirety, except for the suppression of Prime in the Western Rites (abolishing the First Hour entirely, given its cultural importance, and the fact that most other liturgical rites have it, whereas on the other hand Lauds does not exist as a separate office in most other liturgical rites, so it seems like if one was to suppress something, it would be the existence of Matins and Lauds as separate offices), but other than that, Sacrosanctum Concilium has had positive effects on most Eastern Catholic churches, except for the Maronites, whose rite underwent the most disastrous changes of any in the Catholic communion, which is a shame because the old Maronite Rite is extremely beautiful, being a usage of the West Syriac Rite along with the Syriac Orthodox usage. The Maronites almost had as many Anaphorae (Eucharistic Prayers) as the Syriac Orthodox: 57, compared to around 86 in the case of the Syriac Orthodox. I like multiple Eucharistic prayers and this is one aspect of the Novus Ordo Missae I would not object to - interestingly, the ancient Gallican and surviving Mozarabic RItes have so many propers in their Eucharistic prayer (which is not the Roman Canon), that really, it could be argued they have a multitude. The contents of the anaphora changes dramatically depending on the feast. In contrast, in the Roman Rite only the Preface and a few other details are propers, and in the Eastern rites, there are no propers in the anaphoras (however, there are hymns specific to one or the other - for example, in the DIvine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, the faithful sing the hymn “It is truly meet” whereas in that of St. Basil, they sing “All of creation”, and in that of St. James (and the Vesperal Divine Liturgy of St. Basil on Holy Saturday), the Cherubic Hymn is replaced with Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silent. Thus amusingly one could in theory swap the anaphora of St. Basil for that of St. James on Holy Saturday in a parish where it is not recited aloud and no one would notice.
My dear friend, thanks for your thoughtful reflections. I always find our chats enriching—your love for the liturgy and your deep knowledge of the various traditions within the Church never fail to inspire me. I’m especially grateful for your promise to explore the Traditional Latin Mass from an Orthodox perspective. I’m genuinely looking forward to that.
I like much of what you’ve shared, especially your appreciation for the diversity and depth of the Church’s liturgical life. I too hold
Sacrosanctum Concilium in high regard. It’s often misunderstood, but when read carefully, it affirms the dignity of all liturgical rites and calls for their preservation and renewal “in the light of sound tradition” (SC §4). The Council fathers explicitly stated that all lawfully recognised rites are “of equal right and dignity” and should be “preserved and fostered in every way”. That includes the venerable Eastern rites, whose beauty and theological depth are treasures for the whole Church.
You mentioned the suppression of Prime, and I understand your concern. While the reform aimed at simplifying the Liturgy of the Hours for broader participation, I agree that Prime had a unique character, especially in monastic and cultural contexts. That said, the Church has never forbidden its private recitation, and some communities have reintroduced it devotionally. The balance between simplification and preservation is delicate, and I think your critique is a fair one.
Regarding the Maronite Church, you’re right that its postconciliar reforms were among the most extensive. The 1992 reform, for instance, introduced a new
Ordo Missae with vernacular usage and
ad populum orientation, while also attempting to recover Syriac elements like the Epiclesis in Aramaic. Some have argued that these changes leaned too heavily on Latin models, leading to a kind of hybridisation that obscured the rite’s original character. Others, however, see in these reforms a sincere effort to balance fidelity to tradition with pastoral accessibility. It’s a tension not unfamiliar to the Roman Rite either.
Your appreciation for multiple anaphorae is something I share. The Roman Rite’s historical reliance on the Roman Canon gave it a certain solemnity and theological density, but the introduction of additional Eucharistic Prayers in the Novus Ordo—especially II and IV—has brought a welcome variety, even if some argue they lack the poetic gravitas of the Canon. The Eastern and Gallican traditions, as you note, offer a rich tapestry of anaphoral variation, often tied to the liturgical calendar. That’s a beautiful expression of the Church’s incarnational theology: the Eucharist not only transcends time but also sanctifies it.
One gentle clarification I’d offer is on the notion of “swapping” anaphorae unnoticed. While I appreciate the humour and the liturgical literacy behind the comment, the Catholic Church holds that the anaphora is not merely a musical or poetic structure but a theological act of offering, with specific rubrics and intentions. Even when not recited aloud, the celebrant’s fidelity to the prescribed text is an act of obedience and unity with the Church. That said, your point about the audible elements shaping the faithfuls' perception is well taken—and it underscores the importance of catechesis in liturgical life.
All in all, I’m grateful for your insights. They remind me that the liturgy is not a museum piece but a living, breathing encounter with the mystery of Christ. And while we may approach it from different ecclesial homes, I believe our shared reverence for the sacred can be a bridge, not a barrier.
With affection and respect,in Christ our Paschal Lamb.
P.S. I used a few Bing searches to help track down the relevant passages in the dogmatic documents—my memory’s decent, but it’s not infallible! I also ran the paragraphs through a spelling and grammar checker to make sure everything read smoothly. Most of it passed without fuss, though it did suggest a few nice touches here and there.
God bless.