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How Do You See 2 Cor 5:6 ?

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# 1 Therforen / Oun , is a Conjunction

# 2 We Are Always / Pantote , is an Adverb

# 3 Confident / Thanreo , is in the Greek Present Tense , in the Active Voice , is a Participle Tense , in the Nominative Mood , a Plural

# 4 Knowing / Eide , in the Greek , Prefect Tense , in the Active Voice , is a Participle Tense , in the Nomiative Case , in the Plural

# 5 That / Hoti , is a Conjuncation

# 6 While We Are Home / Endemieo / is in the Greek Present Tense , in the Active Voice , is a Particile Tense , is a Nominative Case ,

in the Plural

# 7 In / En , is a Preposition

# 8 The / Ho , is a Definite Articile , in the Dative Case , in the Singular , is a Neuter

# 9 Body / Soma , in the Dative Case , in the Singular , is a Neuter

# 1O We Are Absent / Ekoemo , in the Present Tense , in the Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 11 From / Apo , is a Preposition

# 12 The , is a Definite Article , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular

# 13 Lord / Kyrios , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular .

# 14 And you can google and of the Tenses , cases and Voices to examine them !


What say you ??

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# 1 Therforen / Oun , is a Conjunction

# 2 We Are Always / Pantote , is an Adverb

# 3 Confident / Thanreo , is in the Greek Present Tense , inthe Active Voice , is a Participle Tense , in te Nominative Mood , a Plural

# 4 Knowing / Eide , in the Greek , Prefect Tense , in the Active Voice , is a Participle Tense , in the Nomiative Case , in the Plural

# 5 That / Hoti , is a Conjuncation

# 6 While We Are Home / Endemieo / is in the Greek Present Tense , in the Active Voice , is a Particile Tense , is a Nominative Case ,

in the Plural

# 7 In / En , is a Preposition

# 8 The / Ho , is a Definite Articile , in the Dative Case , in the Singular , is a Neuter

# 9 Body / Soma , in the Dative Case , in the Singular , is a Neuter

# 1O We Are Absent / Ekoemo , in the Present Tense , in the Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 11 From / Apo , is a Preposition

# 12 The , is a Definite Article , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular

# 13 Lord / Kyrios , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular .


What say you ??

dan p
I see it a bit differently...

6Sowearealwaysconfident,knowingthatwhileweareat
οὖν2►1πάντοτε3θαρροῦντες1καὶ4εἰδότες5ὅτι6ἐνδημοῦντες7
ounpantotetharrounteskaieidoteshotiendēmountes
ουνπαςθαρσοςκαιοιδαοτιδημος
CLIBVPAP-PNMCLNVRAP-PNMCSCVPAP-PNM
3767384222922532149237541736
homeinthebodyweareabsentfromtheLord.
ἐν8τῷ9σώματι10ἐκδημοῦμεν11ἀπὸ12τοῦ13Κυρίου14
ensōmatiekdēmoumenapotouKyriou
ενοσωμαδημοςαποοκυριος
PDDSNNDSNVPAI1PPDGSMNGSM
172235884983155357535882962
The New King James Version (2 Co 5:6). (1982). Thomas Nelson.
 
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I see it a bit differently...

6Sowearealwaysconfident,knowingthatwhileweareat
οὖν2►1πάντοτε3θαρροῦντες1καὶ4εἰδότες5ὅτι6ἐνδημοῦντες7
ounpantotetharrounteskaieidoteshotiendēmountes
ουνπαςθαρσοςκαιοιδαοτιδημος
CLIBVPAP-PNMCLNVRAP-PNMCSCVPAP-PNM
3767384222922532149237541736
homeinthebodyweareabsentfromtheLord.
ἐν8τῷ9σώματι10ἐκδημοῦμεν11ἀπὸ12τοῦ13Κυρίου14
ensōmatiekdēmoumenapotouKyriou
ενοσωμαδημοςαποοκυριος
PDDSNNDSNVPAI1PPDGSMNGSM
172235884983155357535882962
The New King James Version (2 Co 5:6). (1982). Thomas Nelson.
And you are right that you see it differently and of course say that my form is more easy to follow , to check

the Greek words and anyone can check using google to check the Tenses , Voices and Cases .

Will you than say what 2 Cor 5:6 than is saying ?

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And you are right tat you see it differently and of course say that my form is more easy to follow , to check

the Greek words and anyone can check using google to check the Tenses , Voices and Cases .

Will you than say what 2 Cor 5:6 than is saying ?

dan p
Well, mine is showing tense, voice, mood, case, gender, number the same as yours (VPAP-PNM, for instance, means "Verb, Present Tense, Active Voice, Participle, Plural Number, Nominative Case, and Masculine Gender). Just a different way of showing it.

In my view, it is speaking of our confidence that we are not yet in Jesus' presence while we live on this earth and is speaking of our confidence that after we exit this body we will be with Him and see Him as He is. What is your view?
 
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Well, mine is showing tense, voice, mood, case, gender, number the same as yours (VPAP-PNM, for instance, means "Verb, Present Tense, Active Voice, Participle, Plural Number, Nominative Case, and Masculine Gender). Just a different way of showing it.

In my view, it is speaking of our confidence that we are not yet in Jesus' presence while we live on this earth and is speaking of our confidence that after we exit this body we will be with Him and see Him as He is. What is your view?
And I do not have the time to learn , what I say it better , MY WAY , and the best to you .

And like your view on 2 Cor 5:6 as I do not bite .

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Well, mine is showing tense, voice, mood, case, gender, number the same as yours (VPAP-PNM, for instance, means "Verb, Present Tense, Active Voice, Participle, Plural Number, Nominative Case, and Masculine Gender). Just a different way of showing it.

In my view, it is speaking of our confidence that we are not yet in Jesus' presence while we live on this earth and is speaking of our confidence that after we exit this body we will be with Him and see Him as He is. What is your view?
And just to let you know , that I am Dispensational , Per-tri and Per-mil and beginning the Body of Christ

in Acts 9 and you have done a good presentation to follow and still waiting to see how you interpret

2 Cor 5:6 and you do not have to , ok with me , and the best to you , always .

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And just to let you know , that I am Dispensational , Per-tri and Per-mil and beginning the Body of Christ

in Acts 9 and you have done a good presentation to follow and still waiting to see how you interpret

2 Cor 5:6 and you do not have to , ok with me , and the best to you , always .

dan p
In my view, 2 Cor 5:16 is speaking of our confidence that we are not yet in Jesus' presence while we live on this earth and is speaking of our confidence that after we exit this body we will be with Him and see Him as He is. What is your view?
 
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In my view, 2 Cor 5:16 is speaking of our confidence that we are not yet in Jesus' presence while we live on this earth and is speaking of our confidence that after we exit this body we will be with Him and see Him as He is. What is your view?
And it is a good answer and we will be in Christ presence NOT until our resurrection as Paul wrote in 1 Thess 4:14-17 as in

2 Thess 5 : 1 and 3 , and in Gal 1:4 .


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And it is a good answer and we will be in Christ presence NOT until our resurrection as Paul wrote in 1 Thess 4:14-17 as in

2 Thess 5 : 1 and 3 , and in Gal 1:4 .


dan p
So can you explain why you think of Galatians 1:4 as being eschatological and not for the here-and-now?
 
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So can you explain why you think of Galatians 1:4 as being eschatological and not for the here-and-now?
When IF you read Gal 1:4 it reads , so that He might RESCUE / EXAIREO , is a Subjunctive Mood , us from out of the

present evil age !

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And the Greek word EXAIREO / RESCUE is a Subjuncation Mood and it means it can happen at any time !!

dan p
Here is an exerpt from NTGreek.org

Uses of the Greek Subjunctive Mood (continued) ** Uses of the Subjunctive in i{na Clauses (pp. 471-477)​
Used to show purpose or intention of the action of the main verb. This construction is meant to show intention, not to state whether something actually happens or not. "Intended Result" - i{na or o{pwV plus verb in subjunctive mood... Indicates that the intention of the action of the main verb is in order that something else would not happen. ‘in order that’ - Answers the question ‘why?’ or ‘for what reason?’ rather than ‘what?’ - Not indicating that something ‘may’ or ‘might’ result from a given action, but is stating the ‘purpose of’ or ‘reason for’ an action. Positive: John 10:38 ‘believe the works in order that you might know … that the Father is in me’ Negative: 1 John 2:1 ‘I write … in order that you may not sin​
In Galatians 1:4 we see ὅπως ("in order that") used and it indicates that this is a puurpose clause, and not a clause indicating something may or may not happen. Do you recognize this use of the subjunctive is valid, even though you don't apply it here?

whogaveHimselfforoursins,thatHe
τοῦ1 δόντος2ἑαυτὸν3ὑπὲρ4ἡμῶν7τῶν5 ἁμαρτιῶν6ὅπως8
ὁ δίδωμιἑαυτοῦὑπέρἐγώὁ ἁμαρτίαὅπως
ο διδωμιαυτοςυπερεγωο αμαρτανωπου
DGSM VAAP-SGMRF3ASMPRP1GPDGPF NGPFCAP
3588 13251438522822573588 2663704
92.24 57.7192.2590.36 90.3992.192.24 88.28989.59
mightdeliverusdfromthispresentevilage
ἐξέληται9ἡμᾶς10ἐκ11τοῦ12 ἐνεστῶτος13πονηροῦ15αἰῶνος14
ἐξαιρέωἐγώἐκὁ ἐνίστημιπονηρόςαἰών
αιρεωεγωεκο ιστημιπονοςαιων
VAMS3SRP1APPDGSM VRAP-SGMJGSMNGSM
1807224815373588 17644190165
21.1792.184.492.24 67.4188.11041.38
The New King James Version (Ga 1:4). (1982). Thomas Nelson.
 
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Here is an exerpt from NTGreek.org

Uses of the Greek Subjunctive Mood (continued) ** Uses of the Subjunctive in i{na Clauses (pp. 471-477)​
Used to show purpose or intention of the action of the main verb. This construction is meant to show intention, not to state whether something actually happens or not. "Intended Result" - i{na or o{pwV plus verb in subjunctive mood... Indicates that the intention of the action of the main verb is in order that something else would not happen. ‘in order that’ - Answers the question ‘why?’ or ‘for what reason?’ rather than ‘what?’ - Not indicating that something ‘may’ or ‘might’ result from a given action, but is stating the ‘purpose of’ or ‘reason for’ an action. Positive: John 10:38 ‘believe the works in order that you might know … that the Father is in me’ Negative: 1 John 2:1 ‘I write … in order that you may not sin​
In Galatians 1:4 we see ὅπως ("in order that") used and it indicates that this is a puurpose clause, and not a clause indicating something may or may not happen. Do you recognize this use of the subjunctive is valid, even though you don't apply it here?

whogaveHimselfforoursins,thatHe
τοῦ1 δόντος2ἑαυτὸν3ὑπὲρ4ἡμῶν7τῶν5 ἁμαρτιῶν6ὅπως8
ὁ δίδωμιἑαυτοῦὑπέρἐγώὁ ἁμαρτίαὅπως
ο διδωμιαυτοςυπερεγωο αμαρτανωπου
DGSM VAAP-SGMRF3ASMPRP1GPDGPF NGPFCAP
3588 13251438522822573588 2663704
92.24 57.7192.2590.36 90.3992.192.24 88.28989.59
mightdeliverusdfromthispresentevilage
ἐξέληται9ἡμᾶς10ἐκ11τοῦ12 ἐνεστῶτος13πονηροῦ15αἰῶνος14
ἐξαιρέωἐγώἐκὁ ἐνίστημιπονηρόςαἰών
αιρεωεγωεκο ιστημιπονοςαιων
VAMS3SRP1APPDGSM VRAP-SGMJGSMNGSM
1807224815373588 17644190165
21.1792.184.492.24 67.4188.11041.38
The New King James Version (Ga 1:4). (1982). Thomas Nelson.
And your graph I do not understand or care to understand as my form way superior , sorry !

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And your graph I do not understand
You could have just ignored my "graph". Instead, you ignored my commentary and my question.
or care to understand
Why add this statement?
as my form way superior ,
I'm pretty sure you would appreciate the software that I use. I even considered buying you a copy to help you with your pursuits. But that is out the door now.
Me too.
 
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And I see some Greek words , but I do not have the time , as the small black squares block my vision as I am

having a hard time following all those small black squares and even some complaint about mine

and where did you find it ??

And I Just like mine better as I have been using it for years !!

dan p
 
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