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When Pope Francis was the Pope,
some cardinals were concerned
he might suddenly allow gay weddings.

There is a way to block future Popes from doing that.

The Vatican could give each local bishop the power
to BAN gay weddings in their part of the Church.
 

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When Pope Francis was the Pope,
some cardinals were concerned
he might suddenly allow gay weddings.

There is a way to block future Popes from doing that.

The Vatican could give each local bishop the power
to BAN gay weddings in their part of the Church.

The problem there is that some local bishops would not do that; it is the bishops in Germany who are among the loudest advocates for doing that (the entire “Synodical Way” has been an attempt by the Germans to obtain self-governance so they can implement this; perhaps they are concerned about being cut off from the Church Tax revenue if they do not align their doctrine with that of the far-left Evangelical Church in Germany.

The correct answer would be for the Pope to depose all clergy and remove from the seminaries any prospective clergy who have expressed views in support of changing church doctrine to allow for marriage of anyone other than an unmarried biological male to an unmarried biological female, and decree that if anyone laic should criticize the decision, they will be excommunicate and anathema unless they repent (thus the deposed clergy would be forbidden from commenting on it under pain of excommunication)*.. Problem solved.

This might sound severe, but this is absolutely the way the early church dealt with doctrinal errors. Laicize, anathematize, cauterize.

* The forms for this survey, without providing the correct answer, would probably, for ethical reasons, need to warn that the answer given could be used to determine the suitability of the person for obtaining or remaining in Holy Orders.
** One might wonder, why not anathematize the clergy who support homosexual marriage; the answer is that the ancient canons you usually cannot punish someone twice for the same offense, thus the usual form of a canon would be “If anyone in Holy Orders declares that marriage may be entered into by any other than one man, and one woman, let him be deposed, but if a layman should declare the same, let him be excommunicated.”
 
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When Pope Francis was the Pope,
some cardinals were concerned
he might suddenly allow gay weddings.

There is a way to block future Popes from doing that.

The Vatican could give each local bishop the power
to BAN gay weddings in their part of the Church.
Given that Francis never did this, it seems a bit odd to appeal to worries about that in the past.

Regardless, your solution doesn't make sense. The Vatican presently doesn't allow any gay weddings, so saying that bishops could choose to ban them is basically like saying that individual governors of the United States can choose to ban slavery. The fact slavery is already banned means that's redundant.

If the idea is supposed to be that if a future pope were to allow gay marriage, then this decree to allow bishops to ignore that... that doesn't do anything at all, because if some pope did decide to allow them, then they'd also just revoke that prior decree anyway.
 
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If the idea is supposed to be that if a future pope were to allow gay marriage, then this decree to allow bishops to ignore that... that doesn't do anything at all, because if some pope did decide to allow them, then they'd also just revoke that prior decree anyway.
No, they would likely leave the prior decree in place.

To keep more countries in the Catholic Church.
 
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When Pope Francis was the Pope,
some cardinals were concerned
he might suddenly allow gay weddings.

There is a way to block future Popes from doing that.

The Vatican could give each local bishop the power
to BAN gay weddings in their part of the Church.
And can they do it with the qualifier "no matter what the current Pope decrees to the contrary"?
Can a local bishop overrule the command of the Pope when he claims it is given "ex cathedra"?.

Who has infallible doctrine according to the Catholic Church"?- the local bishop or the Pope?

Answer: the Pope
 
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When Pope Francis was the Pope,
some cardinals were concerned
he might suddenly allow gay weddings.

There is a way to block future Popes from doing that.

The Vatican could give each local bishop the power
to BAN gay weddings in their part of the Church.
It won’t happen, since the nature of the sacraments cannot be changed. A sacramental marriage can only exist between one man and one woman.

Homosexuality, per the catechism, is still intrinsically disordered and under no circumstances can be condoned.
 
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And can they do it with the qualifier "no matter what the current Pope decrees to the contrary"?
Can a local bishop overrule the command of the Pope when he claims it is given "ex cathedra"?.

Who has infallible doctrine according to the Catholic Church"?- the local bishop or the Pope?

Answer: the Pope
Correct, and even he cannot change what Christ instituted- marriage between one men and one woman. Matthew 19.
 
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Correct, and even he cannot change what Christ instituted- marriage between one men and one woman. Matthew 19.
Here is a key point of agreement. No Christian - not even a Catholic Pope can contradict the Word of God and then claim that the Word of God loses and the Pope wins in that conflict.
 
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