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SCOTUS Limits Federal Judges’ Ability to Block Executive Actions Nationwide

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I must have. Please remind me.

-- A2SG, can't remember everything.....
The Supreme Court ordered Biden to reinstall the Trump border policies in 2021 which he ignored.
The Supreme Court ordered Biden to halt repayment of student loans in 2023, which was halted but resumed and was halted AGAIN in 2024.
 
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The Supreme Court ordered Biden to reinstall the Trump border policies in 2021 which he ignored.
Do you mean this decision:


Not quite as you remember it?

The Supreme Court ordered Biden to halt repayment of student loans in 2023, which was halted but resumed and was halted AGAIN in 2024.
Uh, not quite.


When President Biden tried to forgive student loan debt through the HEROES act, that was ruled unconstitutional. He did not defy that order, he simply found another way to do it that wasn't unconstitutional.

-- A2SG, so not the same....
 
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Good day,

Posting the ruling:

The ruling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a884_8n59.pdf


Justice Amy Coney writing for the majority "A universal injunction can be justified only as an exercise of equitable authority, yet Congress has granted federal courts no such power," I would submit neither has the Constitution I understand that was not the question that the plaintiff asked. The birthright question will have to wait an I am sure the President is happy with this ruling. The progress on his executive orders have been and will be continuing.


JAC "We will not dwell on JUSTICE JACKSON’s argument, which
is at odds with more than two centuries’ worth of precedent,
not to mention the Constitution itself. We observe only this:
JUSTICE JACKSON decries an imperial Executive while embracing an imperial Judiciary."

In Him,

Bill
 
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yup no more activist judges stonewalling the President.
There is no evidence that is occurring. This ruling placed limits but did not end nation wide injunctions. Litigants will have to change the suits so that nation wide injunctions can be applied.
 
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The opinions of Justice Barrett notwithstanding, the ruling did not find nationwide injunctions to be unconstitutional.


Even if these particular judges may not, others might. Judges, like everyone else, have political opinions.
Political opinions should never be involved in a ruling. They are to rule by law.
Whether or not a judge is elected to office or appointed doesn't change the fact that they rule based on the law and the Constitution. They have the power to pass legal judgment, and if someone, even the occupant of the Oval office, violates the law or the Constitution, judges have the authority, and the duty, to rule as such.

-- A2SG, no one is above the law....at least, they didn't use to be....
You already allowed for political opinion.
 
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Political opinions should never be involved in a ruling. They are to rule by law.
All judges offer their opinion about how the law and the Constitution is applied to the specific case at hand. Their opinions then become the decision of the court.

Until an appeals court rules differently.

You already allowed for political opinion.
If you feel this, or any, Supreme Court decision is contrary to the Constitution, feel free to voice your own opinion.

-- A2SG, we still have that right...last I checked at least....
 
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Do you mean this decision:


Not quite as you remember it?
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Actually, Biden’s administration was instructed to go ahead with reinstating it while the case progressed, and refused to. It wasn’t till a year later that it was finally terminated.
Uh, not quite.

When President Biden tried to forgive student loan debt through the HEROES act, that was ruled unconstitutional. He did not defy that order, he simply found another way to do it that wasn't unconstitutional.

-- A2SG, so not the same....
Actually, it turns out the second attempt was also illegal and the Supreme Court halted that, also. As I noted earlier.

ETA: I cannot figure out how to add quotes with this stupid phone.
 
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It does not pertain to this......
All persons born or naturalized in the United States

It pertains to this......
and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The supreme court will decide on this...
SCOTUS has already ruled upon this exact issue, c.f. United States v. Wong Kim Ark
 
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SCOTUS has already ruled upon this exact issue, c.f. United States v. Wong Kim Ark
No it has not.
Status of the parents
1. who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), is a landmark decision[2] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

2. but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

This decision is coming before the supreme court because
Number one applies to them. With regards to their countries of origin
Number two does not. With regards to the united states, they are here illegally, as ILLEGAL ALIENS
 
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No it has not.
Status of the parents
1. who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), is a landmark decision[2] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

2. but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States

This decision is coming before the supreme court because
Number one applies to them. With regards to their countries of origin
Number two does not. With regards to the united states, they are here illegally, as ILLEGAL ALIENS
Nice try.
 
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THE BABY IS NOT HERE ILLEGALLY.
Irrelevant. The parents are. The parents are citizens of another country and do not have legal rights to remain in this country. Children born of citizens of another country who do not have a legal right to remain in this one should be citizens of the country of the parents.

Thats our position. No anchor babies. Go home and take your child with you. We will be HAPPY to have you apply for citizenship and come here on invitation. Then you AND your child can participate in this great country and we will welcome you with open arms.
 
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I dont know how this will play out. Everyone of course is allowed their opinion. And court is allowed theirs. If they decide that the child is in fact a citizen, then so be it.

Congress then needs to change immigration law to clarify rhat the child is a citizen, the parents are still illegally here and subject to deportation. They can either take the child with them and apply for citizenship or leave the child here with a legal citizen. They can still apply if course and come back if accepted.
 
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Irrelevant. The parents are. The parents are citizens of another country and do not have legal rights to remain in this country. Children born of citizens of another country who do not have a legal right to remain in this one should be citizens of the country of the parents.
This touches upon how we read the 14th Amendment. It concerned Slavery in America and the ending of it.
Thats our position. No anchor babies. Go home and take your child with you. We will be HAPPY to have you apply for citizenship and come here on invitation. Then you AND your child can participate in this great country and we will welcome you with open arms.
It is one thing to disagree. But to pretend this has already been settled is another. The supreme court is taking this up because this particular issue has not been decided. Birthright citizenship. has simply been a term erroneously used which is like undocumented immigrant, instead of illegal alien. This will be decided. We will see where it goes. Alien is a term to denote non citizen, ie a citizen elsewhere. Heck, dreamers took it to another step further. That slippery slope of not enforcing law....
With slavery this was not the case.
 
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The supreme court will decide this.
They already did.
The parent violating our law does not become legal because they gave birth.
No, the baby born in the United States does.

You’re stuck on the parents. This law pertains to children born in the United States. However they got here, they’re American citizens from the day they are born, according to the letter of the law of the 14th Amendment and Supreme Court rulings.
 
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I dont know how this will play out. Everyone of course is allowed their opinion. And court is allowed theirs. If they decide that the child is in fact a citizen, then so be it.

Congress then needs to change immigration law to clarify rhat the child is a citizen, the parents are still illegally here and subject to deportation. They can either take the child with them and apply for citizenship or leave the child here with a legal citizen. They can still apply if course and come back if accepted.
You know this is such a problem today that is the court decided on the side of illegal aliens, then I think it is possible there will be a call to amend the constitution to clarify it to the will of the people. There just might be enough to support this to actually do it. People are tired of this stuff.
 
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They already did.
Why do you say this when you know it is untrue?
No, the baby born in the United States does.
The baby does not make the parent here legally. Nor does it alter the illegal actions to be here.
You’re stuck on the parents. This law pertains to children born in the United States.
No it is about the status of the parent, with regards to a child born.
However they got here, they’re American citizens from the day they are born, according to the letter of the law of the 14th Amendment and Supreme Court rulings.
No, the Supreme court will decide this. And you know full well they will. You may like their decision, you may not like their decision. But this is yet to be determined.
 
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Irrelevant. The parents are.
Irrelevant. The birthright clause of the 14th amendment only mentions the rights of the children born within the US. They are citizens. Full stop. It doesn’t qualify that the parents have to be here legally. It doesn’t state that either of the parents need to be citizens. It says very plainly ALL PERSONS BORN.

What you want now is a constitutional amendment to redefine citizenship as it has historically been interpreted.
 
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