SimplyMe
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Great, but this thread has nothing to do with the PA road tax -- though, for the record, I'd have used less. But, sorry, I used 148.7 gallons of gas in a year; that was our only car and included a 2,000 mile road trip, averaging something like 35 mpg over the year (I could calculate it but don't feel like it). There are reasons that the national average is only about 12,500 miles per car per year, despite the people who drive over 20,000 miles a year.
You saw the numbers, figure it for yourself. There is a reason so many people claim the media can't be trusted. In this case, someone (likely a petroleum lobbyist group) compares the heaviest EV Ford Lightning and compares it to the lightest Ford F-150 that Ford sales -- it isn't a fair or honest comparison -- but because one outlet prints it then everybody else copies it as if it were fact.
That would mean a lot more if you had merely used figures from recent F-150s, such as 2024 or 2025s, which brings the average up to about 18 mpg. The issue is that you have statistics for F-150 going back to the 70s -- and the reports from every year prior to 1985 are 10.x mpg or less, with at least 3 years under 9 mpg.
But we weren't talking about Pennsylvania, we were talking about the fee Trump was adding in his Big Beautiful bill -- which was far more than any ICE vehicle would pay that isn't an 1970s F-150 (per Fuelly) or basically a commercial box truck or larger.
You keep trying to straw man with Pennsylvania -- that is between you and your state government and is off topic for this thread. Kind of like you keep trying to straw man the Ford F-150 Lightning, which sold 33,000 last year. Yet there were over 1.7 million EVs sold last year -- yet you keep sticking to the F-150 Lightning weight, as if that has anything to do with the other 1.7 million EVs that were sold last year. As I showed, the most popular EVs weigh less than even the lightest F-150s.
Or they could just have you report your odometer reading each year when you register your car.
Again, ignoring the facts presented. Again, cars are "35%" heavier (you can find the actual numbers in a previous post) than in the 1990s, but they are also more fuel efficient, meaning they are actually paying less in road tax despite being heavier. So why do ICE cars get to be heavier and more fuel efficient than when the gasoline tax was last raised, not to mention that inflation means it is really only about half the tax it was 30 plus years ago, but suddenly you have to have EVs pay a higher rate because they are heavier. Why do current ICE cars get a pass for paying less while weighing "35%" more?
This has nothing to do with what you are paying at the pump or what Pennsylvania taxes are -- again, that is off topic for this thread and I don't know why you think it has any relevance.
The federal gas tax in 1993 was raised to 18.4 cents per gallon -- despite the price you pay changing, that amount of federal tax has not changed. You still pay 18.4 cents per gallon to the federal government today, despite the fact that Pennsylvania has raised there state tax so much.
But since you want to straw man EVs to be like the F-150 -- your 15 mpg F-150 would pay $153 annually going the national average 12,500 miles. As I've shown, almost all EVs sold weigh far less than the F-150, so why is the proposed EV federal tax rate at $250 annually, roughly $100 more than the F-150 would pay in a year?
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