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United States Supreme Court ruling on parents rights and LGBTQ books

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The school district has to allow for an “opt-out”.
The SD doesn’t have to pull the books/materials.
It’s an “okay” ruling, though one can envision it getting messy.
It will get messy - the school district tried to do an opt-out system initially, and elected to stop because it was not working well. Too many classroom disruptions, and too many moving parts for teachers to keep track of. That's what prompted the lawsuit that led to this decision.

Further, because the Court did not issue any guidance and left the ruling very broad, this is going to spawn a whole host of further lawsuits as people try to find the limits of what they can prevent their children from learning on the basis of their religious beliefs.
 
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It will get messy - the school district tried to do an opt-out system initially, and elected to stop because it was not working well. Too many classroom disruptions, and too many moving parts for teachers to keep track of. That's what prompted the lawsuit that led to this decision.

Further, because the Court did not issue any guidance and left the ruling very broad, this is going to spawn a whole host of further lawsuits as people try to find the limits of what they can prevent their children from learning on the basis of their religious beliefs.
Actually is was because too many parents opted out.
 
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...which was causing classroom disruptions and creating extra work for teachers. As I said.
So you suggest to eliminate the ones that object then? The school should have sided with the parents rather than with their activism. SCOTUS got it right.
 
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So you suggest to eliminate the ones that object then? The school should have sided with the parents rather than with their activism. SCOTUS got it right.
This ruling might get in the way of Texas’ “Ten Commandments must be displayed” law.
 
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This ruling might get in the way of Texas’ “Ten Commandments must be displayed” law.
Good. I’m not a proponent.
 
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It will get messy - the school district tried to do an opt-out system initially, and elected to stop because it was not working well. Too many classroom disruptions, and too many moving parts for teachers to keep track of. That's what prompted the lawsuit that led to this decision.

Further, because the Court did not issue any guidance and left the ruling very broad, this is going to spawn a whole host of further lawsuits as people try to find the limits of what they can prevent their children from learning on the basis of their religious beliefs.
Then it guess the whole school should just opt out of any of that curriculum. It would make it easier on them. Since we are so worried about the burden it places on them.
 
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Then it guess the whole school should just opt out of any of that curriculum. It would make it easier on them. Since we are so worried about the burden it places on them.
Perhaps the only real answer is to create a separate school system for Christian kids. There are getting to be too many issues that Christian parents are going to want their kids protected from. Not just regarding human sexuality, but in other science well as history and economics. Let them have their charter schools. People complain about public funds going to religious education, but I think it's worth it. They and their parents will be a lot less trouble to the rest of us.
 
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Then it guess the whole school should just opt out of any of that curriculum. It would make it easier on them. Since we are so worried about the burden it places on them.
I'm sure that's what they were hoping for. I'm surprised you support the chilling of free speech though.
 
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I'm sure that's what they were hoping for. I'm surprised you support the chilling of free speech though.
Im not. Because I supported this ruling. Which did NOT put ANY chill on free speech. Where on earth did you get that idea from?
 
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Perhaps the only real answer is to create a separate school system for Christian kids. There are getting to be too many issues that Christian parents are going to want their kids protected from. Not just regarding human sexuality, but in other science well as history and economics. Let them have their charter schools. People complain about public funds going to religious education, but I think it's worth it. They and their parents will be a lot less trouble to the rest of us.
Sounds good to me.
 
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Perhaps the only real answer is to create a separate school system for Christian kids. There are getting to be too many issues that Christian parents are going to want their kids protected from. Not just regarding human sexuality, but in other science well as history and economics. Let them have their charter schools. People complain about public funds going to religious education, but I think it's worth it. They and their parents will be a lot less trouble to the rest of us.
I'm all for separate Christian schools, if Christians can't abide the curriculum of the public school system. That system has existed for a long time now, and is perfectly viable for any who choose it. But I disagree strongly that it should be supported by public funds. Private schools should exist, or fail, on their own. Public funds are for schools that are open to any and all students, unlike private schools.

If people can't afford private religious schools, maybe the church can do something about that. But it's not up to the government to bail out religious schools. They already have a tax break, let them use those funds, if need be.

-- A2SG, it's only fair...if you don't want to use the public schools, you don't get to access public school funds....
 
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Im not. Because I supported this ruling. Which did NOT put ANY chill on free speech. Where on earth did you get that idea from?
Gee, I dunno?
Then it guess the whole school should just opt out of any of that curriculum. It would make it easier on them. Since we are so worried about the burden it places on them.
If you make a rule that makes it more difficult to say something, then argue that people should just not say it if it's so hard, that's a textbook example of chilling speech.
 
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I praise God for this very good decision and ruling that the SCOTUS did earlier today!!!


Do y'all agree with the Supreme Court of the United States of America?
This matter should have been resolved in the classroom by the teacher and parents, not escalated to the Supreme Court. It highlights a departure from common sense in America.

A parent objected to a classroom storybook or lesson, and the teacher should have respected that.

For those celebrating this as a win for parental rights, consider this: conservatives often protest against parents taking their children to drag queen events at public libraries. The ones cheering for parental rights now are the same ones opposing certain parents' decisions when it comes to these events. If we respect parents' rights when we agree, we should also protect the same right when we disagree.
 
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I praise God for this very good decision and ruling that the SCOTUS did earlier today!!!


Do y'all agree with the Supreme Court of the United States of America?
I agree with SCOTUS but see some hypocrisy as they protect parents rights in some matters but reject it in others, such as the 10 Commandments.
 
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Whole heartily yes. Children should not be pawns of activism and is the parents purview to teach their children morality. Schools should only be places of subject learning such as math, writing, reading, science, etc.

While proficiency in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) is undeniably important, students require more than just STEM education to truly thrive and develop into well-rounded, compassionate individuals. A holistic approach that incorporates the humanities, arts, social sciences, and emotional intelligence is essential for fostering critical thinking, creativity, empathy, and ethical reasoning.

There is a growing movement among conservative groups advocating for an education system focused exclusively on STEM subjects. However, this perspective is misleading and unbalanced. Education is a fundamental aspect of human development, and schools play a crucial role in this process. Educational institutions provide children with the opportunity to acquire knowledge and skills, from learning to read and write to understanding complex mathematical concepts, thereby equipping them with the tools required to navigate the world. This foundational knowledge is essential for personal and professional development.

Additionally, schools foster socialization by enabling children to interact with peers and teachers, thereby learning to communicate, collaborate, and build relationships. These social skills are vital for emotional and social well-being. Through group activities, sports, and classroom discussions, students learn the importance of teamwork, empathy, and respect for others. Educational institutions also help instill discipline and structure. The routine of attending classes, completing assignments, and adhering to rules teaches children the value of responsibility and time management, qualities that are essential for success in any field and contribute to developing a strong work ethic.

Furthermore, schools expose children to diverse perspectives and ideas. By learning about different cultures, histories, and viewpoints, students broaden their understanding of the world. This exposure fosters critical thinking and encourages students to become open-minded and informed individuals.

While it is understandable that certain subjects in the education system may conflict with conservative values, it is important to adjust the curriculum to reflect societal values comprehensively. However, suggesting that education should focus solely on STEM and exclude other areas significantly undermines the broader purpose of schooling.
 
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While proficiency in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) is undeniably important, students require more than just STEM education to truly thrive and develop into well-rounded, compassionate individuals. A holistic approach that incorporates the humanities, arts, social sciences, and emotional intelligence is essential for fostering critical thinking, creativity, empathy, and ethical reasoning.

There is a growing movement among conservative groups advocating for an education system focused exclusively on STEM subjects. However, this perspective is misleading and unbalanced. Education is a fundamental aspect of human development, and schools play a crucial role in this process. Educational institutions provide children with the opportunity to acquire knowledge and skills, from learning to read and write to understanding complex mathematical concepts, thereby equipping them with the tools required to navigate the world. This foundational knowledge is essential for personal and professional development.

Additionally, schools foster socialization by enabling children to interact with peers and teachers, thereby learning to communicate, collaborate, and build relationships. These social skills are vital for emotional and social well-being. Through group activities, sports, and classroom discussions, students learn the importance of teamwork, empathy, and respect for others. Educational institutions also help instill discipline and structure. The routine of attending classes, completing assignments, and adhering to rules teaches children the value of responsibility and time management, qualities that are essential for success in any field and contribute to developing a strong work ethic.

Furthermore, schools expose children to diverse perspectives and ideas. By learning about different cultures, histories, and viewpoints, students broaden their understanding of the world. This exposure fosters critical thinking and encourages students to become open-minded and informed individuals.

While it is understandable that certain subjects in the education system may conflict with conservative values, it is important to adjust the curriculum to reflect societal values comprehensively. However, suggesting that education should focus solely on STEM and exclude other areas significantly undermines the broader purpose of schooling.
I have absolutely no problem with what you wrote. My problem is excluding the parents from decisions that affect their children, in particular when activism is present. Parents need to know what their kids are taught which is the basis of the SCOTUS decision.
 
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Perhaps the only real answer is to create a separate school system for Christian kids. There are getting to be too many issues that Christian parents are going to want their kids protected from. Not just regarding human sexuality, but in other science well as history and economics. Let them have their charter schools. People complain about public funds going to religious education, but I think it's worth it. They and their parents will be a lot less trouble to the rest of us.
We tried “separate but equal” before and it didn’t work.
 
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