Cardinal Burke appeals for restoration of Traditional Latin Mass

Gnarwhal · Jul 1, 2025

Cardinal Raymond Burke said he has asked Pope Leo XIV to remove measures restricting the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) in dioceses.

Burke spoke at a London conference organized by The Latin Mass Society of England and Wales, telling attendees that he hopes the new pontiff will “put an end to the persecution” of Catholic faithful who want to celebrate Mass using the “more ancient usage” — “usus antiquior” — of the Roman liturgy.

Cardinal Burke appeals for restoration of Traditional Latin Mass

Cardinal Raymond Burke said he has asked Pope Leo XIV to remove measures restricting the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass in dioceses.

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Michie · Jul 1, 2025

“It is my hope,” Burke said at the conference, “[Leo will] even continue to develop what Pope Benedict XVI had so wisely and lovingly legislated for the Church.”

Amen.

chevyontheriver · Jul 1, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
Cardinal Burke appeals for restoration of Traditional Latin Mass

Cardinal Raymond Burke said he has asked Pope Leo XIV to remove measures restricting the celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass in dioceses.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

I think pope Leo will have to do something as the situations in Detroit and Charlotte and Chartres and around the world are coming to a head with pope Francis loyalist bishops in full suppression mode. We had some liturgical peace before pope Francis decided suppression was a smart move. May pope Leo come up with some wise options.

There is a Catholic humor site that came out with a satire story that pope Leo reconciled ‘ad orientem’ and ‘ad populum’ with having the altars all face to the side. Brilliant satire.

mourningdove~ · Jul 1, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
I think pope Leo will have to do something as the situations in Detroit and Charlotte and Chartres and around the world are coming to a head with pope Francis loyalist bishops in full suppression mode. We had some liturgical peace before pope Francis decided suppression was a smart move. May pope Leo come up with some wise options.

On last week's "Urbi et Orbi Communications" YouTube channel, Fr. Charles Murr really surprised me with a comment he made on the subject of the TLM. (He surprised me because I don't know Fr. Murr to say things 'lightly'.)

He said that if the present pope doesn't address the question of the Latin Mass, he (the pope) stands to lose many millions of Catholics in the Church. They are going to walk away from it, and claim "We are the Church. They are not."

What do you and others here think? Could that happen?

Here is a link to the discussion.
(His comments start at approximately the 45:25 timestamp.)

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chevyontheriver · Jul 1, 2025

mourningdove~ said:
On last week's "Urbi et Orbi Communications" YouTube channel, Fr. Charles Murr really surprised me with a comment he made on the subject of the TLM. (He surprised me because I don't know Fr. Murr to say things 'lightly'.)

He said that if the present pope doesn't address the question of the Latin Mass, he (the pope) stands to lose many millions of Catholics in the Church. They are going to walk away from it, and claim "We are the Church. They are not."

What do you and others here think? Could that happen?

Here is a link to the discussion.
(His comments start at approximately the 45:25 timestamp.)

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Of course I hope it does not happen. But if push comes to shove it sure looks like they are being shoved out of the Church.

Todos todos todos, except for evil nasty indetrists. Happily the Vatican is under new management and there is a chance for better. But if not I could see millions walk away, after being shoved out, and become sedevacantists or Orthodox or nothings or whatever. And these are the people who are regular massgoers, believe what the Church teaches, go to confession, and are not sexually deviant. These are people we should want more of. Not shoving them out the door because they are ‘backwardists’

mourningdove~ · Jul 1, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Of course I hope it does not happen. But if push comes to shove it sure looks like they are being shoved out of the Church.

So far, it does continue to look that way.

I think most everyone is trying to be patient with the new pope, but weeks have passed and he still hasn't addressed the elephant in the room ... the TLM and Traditional Catholics.

Recently, there was the annual Chartres Pilgimage in France. Thousands of Traditional Catholics participated; mostly young people. And yet, I saw nowhere where the pope even addressed the event in any way.

With the pope not addressing the TLM issue, it's beginning to 'feel' like he and those running the Church are willing to lose many faithful Catholics over it. I just didn't realize that it could be 'millions'!

chevyontheriver · Jul 1, 2025

mourningdove~ said:
So far, it does continue to look that way.

I think most everyone is trying to be patient with the new pope, but weeks have passed and he still hasn't addressed the elephant in the room ... the TLM and Traditional Catholics.

Recently, there was the annual Chartres Pilgimage in France. Thousands of Traditional Catholics participated; mostly young people. And yet, I saw nowhere where the pope even addressed the event in any way.

With the pope not addressing the TLM issue, it's beginning to 'feel' like he and those running the Church are willing to lose many faithful Catholics over it. I just didn't realize that it could be 'millions'!

In a Church of a billion or so people it could be millions.

I think we must all give pope Leo time. I would rather have heard on day two that three pope Francis documents had been voided and a dozen particular cardinals had been sent to Antarctica. Oh well.

The treatment of ‘backwardists’ is the elephant in the room. Well, there are many elephants in the room. The Lavender Mafia is another one. Rupnick is finally sort of dealt with now that his ‘art’ is no longer on the Vatican web site.

mourningdove~ · Jul 1, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
I think we must all give pope Leo time.

Most Trads I see and hear genuinely appear to be trying to do so.
Most aren't even doing any 'negative' reporting on the new pope, even when they could.
It's nice to see the return to patient waitfulness and charitableness.

Gnarwhal · Jul 1, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
I think pope Leo will have to do something as the situations in Detroit and Charlotte and Chartres and around the world are coming to a head with pope Francis loyalist bishops in full suppression mode. We had some liturgical peace before pope Francis decided suppression was a smart move. May pope Leo come up with some wise options.

There is a Catholic humor site that came out with a satire story that pope Leo reconciled ‘ad orientem’ and ‘ad populum’ with having the altars all face to the side. Brilliant satire.

The actions of those bishops in some sense struck me as a death rattle. I don't know why they'd feel so much urgency, especially with Pope Francis gone, to suddenly execute these restrictions to their fullest extent possible. Since we all know Cardinal Parolin was heavily involved with TC it's possible he signaled these priests to get on with it, potentially knowing that Pope Leo was going to do something to scale it back. That's pure speculation on my part though.

It's just the fact that these changes weren't rolled out in a "professional", delicate, responsible way but they were just dropped like a bomb on all the affected dioceses, that's what makes me think it's a last ditch effort by the most hateful and vindictive bishops to sanitize their diocese of the TLM.

mourningdove~ said:
On last week's "Urbi et Orbi Communications" YouTube channel, Fr. Charles Murr really surprised me with a comment he made on the subject of the TLM. (He surprised me because I don't know Fr. Murr to say things 'lightly'.)

He said that if the present pope doesn't address the question of the Latin Mass, he (the pope) stands to lose many millions of Catholics in the Church. They are going to walk away from it, and claim "We are the Church. They are not."

What do you and others here think? Could that happen?

Here is a link to the discussion.
(His comments start at approximately the 45:25 timestamp.)

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So he thinks a schism would be inevitable if the issue isn't addressed? I've heard others say similar, some are surprised it hasn't happened already. Some also think a schism will come along German lines. When considering all of this it makes a bit more sense why Pope Leo is taking his time dealing with these issues, I'm sure he's trying his best to figure out how to preserve the integrity of the Church and not lose anybody to schism.

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