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Israel Strikes Iran: Explosions in Tehran, Sirens in Israel
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Do you honestly believe I’ve been walking with the Lord for this duration and I’m not aware what’s required for my betterment? Have you forgotten I sat under the teachings you cited and learned to live as a jew for years? But you expect me to be frightened. And I would remind you of the talmud’s primacy in their culture. There’s not a synagogue that doesn’t teach it. You may want to enlighten yourself about its tenets. That’s who you’re dealing with.
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It's not about them, they can be awful people.
as I mention in the other thread, I do not believe they were chosen because they're such wonderful people, far from it.
but it's about siding with God on an issue, even if my human sensibilities don't like it.
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Nah, the world is aligning to a biblical view.
... including the entire world coming against Israel.
The US included.
But it won't be good for us.
It'll be terrible for us.
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Two weeks for Trump, huh?
How long is that in regular citizen years?
reminder; "We're signing a health care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health care plan.."
- Trump in 2020 -
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No.
The headline figure of funds committed to aid Ukraine is around $184.8 billion, across civil and military aid, since FY2021-22.
Of this, only $89.5 billion has been disbursed. That is, actually spent.
Of that, $46 billion is classified as military aid.
However, of that amount $8.8 billion has been spent on replenishment of US stocks. A further $2.8 billion has been disbursed to other European states in military aid (mostly to buy US weapons) and another $190 million has gone out to the rest of the world. A further $75 has gone out to other countries for training.
In total, Ukraine has actually received $33.51 billion in military aid.
Ukraine has also received governance and development aid to the tune of
$5.26 billion in support from the US Department of State
$34.51 billion in support from USDAID
$3.64 billion in support from other US Government agencies
In total, military and civil aid actually provided to Ukraine is $76.92 billion to date.
However, that doesn't tell the full story either. Of that amount $35.28 billion has been disbursed in the form of loans, which are either sitting in an international fund created via the World Bank, or through the US Export-Import Bank or U.S. International Development Finance Corp. So, nearly half of the actual spending on Ukraine isn't 'aid', but repayable loans (albeit loans with zero or only marginal interest).
Also of the $184.8 billion in total aid appropriated:
$91.36 is due to be spent directly in the US on the US military. That is, just under half of "Ukraine aid" is not going to Ukraine.
$6.3 billion is due to be spent on countries other than Ukraine. Which means more than half of "Ukraine aid" is not actually going to Ukraine.
$2.8 billion has expired in appropriations. Because Congress let it lapse.
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its just that when Trump says theres a timeline or else, it actually means..... nothing. But that goes for pretty much anything that comes out of his mouth. He says whatever feels useful at the moment. Dont take it to correspond to truth or commitment - ever.
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Upset? Heaven's no.
Just pointing out that Trump uses arbitrary time-lines with total disregard.
However, since you addressed your question that way; No, I'd rather the US stay out of any Middle East conflict(s). I'd rather the president adhere to line 8 of Agenda 47, his campaign platform, which says (copy/paste from his website):
8 - Prevent world war three, restore peace in europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in america
iirc, when addressing this during the campaign he promised no new wars. I suppose we'll find out in the proverbial two weeks.
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Netanyahu seems to have mis-calculated the American political landscape. Did he not realize Americans have no desire to be involved in yet another Middle East war? Or that "Endless Wars" is a common refrain amoungst Trump core supporters?
Steve Bannon was allegedly at the White House around the time the "2 weeks" announcement was made.
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Or he sees the long term trend of rising support for Palestine and falling support for Israel among Americans.
So, to attack Iran while there are Republicans and "we will project strength" MAGA people in important government positions, may be the last chance for Israel to get the USA involved.
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Israel doesn't have enough interceptors to sustain a missile barrage from Iran. The US has been helping but at some point, it will depend on the US (or not), and the US has a limited capacity. In my opinion, the one who starts it also has to count the cost. If Israel can't continue to intercept missiles, then too bad for them. Maybe once they feel the pain of war, they will stop war.
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Trump has a history of using sentences with phrases incorporating two weeks.
"Two weeks" is clearly ambiguous in Trumpian terminology, what isn't Trump is a legend in his own mind blissfully ignorant how he has been manipulated by both Netanyahu and Putin.
| Date | Context | Exact Phrase / Paraphrase | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| March 16, 2020 | COVID‑19 pandemic guidelines | Announced a 15‑day plan to “slow the spread” (i.e., about 2 weeks) (trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov, wral.com) | White House archived article, CNN |
| March 29, 2020 | COVID‑19 peak forecast | “Peak coronavirus deaths in 2 weeks” (axios.com) | Axios |
| March 31, 2020 | COVID‑19 briefing | Forewarning: “a hell of a bad two weeks” (cbsnews.com) | CBS News |
| May 2025 (multiple) | Russia–Ukraine conflict | “Within two weeks we’ll know whether Putin wants peace” / “2 weeks or less” (abcnews.go.com, politico.com, newsmax.com) | ABC News, Politico, Newsmax |
| June 2025 | Russia–Ukraine negotiations | “Decide … in two weeks” (yahoo.com, politico.com) | Ukrayinska Pravda, Politico |
| June 19–20, 2025 | Potential U.S. military action on Iran | “Two weeks to see if [Iran] comes to their senses” / “2‑week deadline set by Trump” (news.com.au, politico.com, realclearpolitics.com, thedailybeast.com, thedailybeast.com) | FT, Daily Beast, Politico, CNN, Daily Beast |
"Two weeks" is clearly ambiguous in Trumpian terminology, what isn't Trump is a legend in his own mind blissfully ignorant how he has been manipulated by both Netanyahu and Putin.
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Clearly, you believe that President Trump is easily manipulated and that he is blissfully ignorant. However, I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I believe that President Trump's foreign policy instincts as well as his foreign policy wisdom is very strong.
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Israel carries out strikes in Tehran as defense minister sends warning to Iranian proxy
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Israel carries out strikes in Tehran as defense minister sends warning to Iranian proxy
The IDF said it carried out 'a series of overnight strikes' in Tehran, hitting military industrial sites. Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz warned Iran-backed terror organization Hezbollah against joining the conflict.
www.foxnews.com
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That is not at all the implication being made.
The implication is that he doesn't know, doesn't have a plan, but can't say he doesn't know and doesn't have a plan, so he kicks the can for two weeks while sounding like he'll have a decision in two weeks.
But whether it's infrastructure week, a replacement for Obamacare, and end to the invasion of Ukraine, the length of the pandemic, a ceasefire in Gaza, a ceasefire in Iran... two weeks gives him some breathing space and not enough people hold him to task for his failed prediction after failed prediction.
I mean, realistically, the answer is not 'we'll be bombing or not bombing in two weeks', but "We're keeping all options open, including military action, and we're keeping a close eye on developments and are doing everything we can to foster peace." But that doesn't sound decisive enough for Trump.
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Case A: Netanyahu
On the 25th March 2025 Tulsi Gabbard Director of National Intelligence testified “The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.”
Netanyahu’s justification for bombing Iran is that it is very near to acquiring the weapon so who is right Israel or US intelligence?
One would have expected Israel and the US to be sharing intelligence on Iran and be on the same page. It doesn’t take much insight to realise Netanyahu has backed Trump into a corner who is now forced to take sides by claiming Gabbard and the US intelligence community in being wrong and relying on the word of a foreign leader which is inexplicable.
Netanyahu is exploiting Trump’s narcissism by giving him the final glory in finishing off the campaign against Iran.
Maybe Trump is smart enough to realise he is being played which might explain the procrastination and the two weeks comment.
Case B: Putin.
Putin’s approach is to massage Trump’s ego and his disdain for multilateralism and a distrust of NATO and the EU.
In February 2025 this was put into operation in the infamous Trump-Putin phone call where a bilateral agreement was reached to end the Ukraine war at the exclusion of the Ukraine, the EU and NATO, while Russia were not forced into any concessions.
Putin’s motives can be summarized as follows:
| Tactic | Description | Effect |
|---|---|---|
| Flattery & exclusivity | "Only we two can make peace." | Fed Trump’s ego, sidelined others |
| Bilateral diplomacy offer | Bypassed multilateral frameworks | Gave Russia legitimacy, Ukraine no voice |
| Personal rapport reset | Used friendly call to rebuild Russia’s global standing | Undercut Western unity and sanctions pressure |
Despite this so called bilateral agreement the war continues with no end in sight while Putin carries on regardless.
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