California Bill Would Prohibit ICE Officers From Wearing Masks in the State

Valletta · Jun 18, 2025

BCP1928 said:
It would, if she wasn't in ICE custody.

The court agreed to giving her a green card that day. She needed one more hearing when the paperwork was ready but ICE heard about the hearing date and picked her up instead. They just wanted to send a message to the Marines in case they have to work with them again.

What if Democrats abandoned the "Get Trump" mentality and worked instead toward making our nation great again?

Aldebaran · Jun 18, 2025

7thKeeper said:
That's why I'm saying, use scary masks to strike fear into those evildoers washing dishes and such and put them in secret courts and jails! Easy peasy and everyone is safe when everything is kept secret and hidden.

Why was it ok for the entire public to be mandated to wear scary masks, and it's even been ok for looters and rioters to use them to commit crimes without being identified, but it's not ok for law enforcement to wear them to protect themselves?

Aldebaran · Jun 18, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
No, you don't.

No, I want them to be able to report those who would exploit them and that requires some sort of legal status. The landlords that won't fix the hot water; the employers that short pay packets; etc.; and the victims of crimes who fear reporting their crimes to police because they could get deported.

Their home governments aren't going to protect them from exploiters and criminals in the US. This isn't about "handouts".

If they're in the USA illegally, they have no right to expect protection from the very country they are trespassing in--and exploiting.

Hans Blaster · Jun 18, 2025

Aldebaran said:
If they're in the USA illegally, they have no right to expect protection from the very country they are trespassing in--and exploiting.

Which is why I was talking about some sort of legal status.

Do you not find that exploitation immoral?

Aldebaran · Jun 18, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
Which is why I was talking about some sort of legal status.

Do you not find that exploitation immoral?

Again, they DO have a legal status. It's "Illegal alien".
And your continued attempt to divert attention away from that and toward employers is nothing but whataboutism.

Hans Blaster · Jun 19, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Again, they DO have a legal status. It's "Illegal alien".
And your continued attempt to divert attention away from that and toward employers is nothing but whataboutism.

It was no such thing. It was about the solution to the problem presented in post #101. If all you want to discuss is amoral legalism rather than actual solutions, then you're not really part of that conversation I was having with @BPPLEE

7thKeeper · Jun 19, 2025

Aldebaran said:
Why was it ok for the entire public to be mandated to wear scary masks, and it's even been ok for looters and rioters to use them to commit crimes without being identified, but it's not ok for law enforcement to wear them to protect themselves?

Well I understand that over on that side of the pond, the concept of a pandemic might have been confusing to some people as well as how masks help with that, it's ok.

As for looters, where have I said it's ok for them? In fact, after you've caught them, take off those masks and parade them down a street in a cage or make then walk a walk of shame! That'll teach them! Then disappear them into a secret court.

And maybe train the ICE people better so they don't need masks in case they are seen. Ever seen a Finnish border agent with a scary mask on drag people into an unmarked van? Didn't think so! Skill issue. They don't get caught.

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

BPPLEE said:
They're only vital when they work cheaper than anyone else.

They're vital because of the jobs they do. The boss class wants them to work cheap, that's why they prefer illegals.

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Then if it isn’t your problem. It seems you are saying, you do not care that they are doxed and threatened?

Is that accurate

He is observing that they may be bringing it on themselves. They're outlaws cops, what do they expect?

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
But what if those ICE agents are really concerned about catching covid? (sort of like those people I saw ransacking a bath and body works and filling up their bags in order to protest injustice)

Seems an odd way to protest injustice. Most people just call that looting.

ThatRobGuy · Jun 19, 2025

Valletta said:
There was a court order, law enforcement simply followed the court order. That's the way the legal system works. A judge can intervene and rescind the order, if it is just a technicality why hasn't any court set her free?

I think you quoted the wrong post here... the quote has my name, but the verbiage in there was from a post made by @BCP1928

Hans Blaster · Jun 19, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
I think you quoted the wrong post here... the quote has my name, but the verbiage in there was from a post made by @BCP1928

The board seems to do that every once and a while.

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2025

7thKeeper said:
Well I understand that over on that side of the pond, the concept of a pandemic might have been confusing to some people as well as how masks help with that, it's ok.

They didn't help. Even Fauci now understands that.

7thKeeper said:
As for looters, where have I said it's ok for them? In fact, after you've caught them, take off those masks and parade them down a street in a cage or make then walk a walk of shame! That'll teach them! Then disappear them into a secret court.

Your sarcastic tone here and the fact that you don't outright say it's not ok for looters, it seems questionable which side of that topic you are on.

7thKeeper said:
And maybe train the ICE people better so they don't need masks in case they are seen. Ever seen a Finnish border agent with a scary mask on drag people into an unmarked van? Didn't think so! Skill issue. They don't get caught.

What's so scary about their masks? Be more scared of their baton, pepper spray, ballistic shield, taser.....but be more afraid that they might facilitate the illegal alien's return back to his own home country.

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Seems an odd way to protest injustice. Most people just call that looting.

"Most people" is what usually forms a democracy, but now it's minorities that get the attention if they become violent enough.

BCP1928 · Jun 19, 2025

Aldebaran said:
"Most people" is what usually forms a democracy, but now it's minorities that get the attention if they become violent enough.

Yes, obviously minorities need to be suppressed because they all loot at protests. Of course.

Aldebaran · Jun 19, 2025

BCP1928 said:
Yes, obviously minorities need to be suppressed because they all loot at protests. Of course.

If the minority of people at a protest are the ones that are being violent, would you want them to continue being violent just because they're in the minority? Is that what democracy looks like (as the chant goes)?

Say it aint so · Jun 20, 2025

This is also really sick.

Wearing their Illinois National Guard uniforms, Axel and Andres Reyes arrived with their mother at a South Loop immigration office on Tuesday morning.

The men, 19 and 24, watched their mother, who was born in Mexico and has been in the U.S. for more than 24 years, enter the office where at least 10 people were detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement just two weeks ago in what federal agents called “executable final orders of removal.”

And the brothers waited.

“We fear her being detained and us not being there,” Andres Reyes said of his mother, who is seeking citizenship and is in the country on a work permit. “We can’t really do anything about it or get involved in that, but we just always want to be with her.”

Ultimately, their mother was not detained. The brothers left with her around 1 p.m --ChiSunTimes

No one should be deported if they are going through the lengthy process of citizenship and keeping their appointments.
But unfortunately when you have a daily quota for deportations, you have to hit them by any means necessary.

Valletta · Jun 20, 2025

Say it aint so said:
This is also really sick.

Wearing their Illinois National Guard uniforms, Axel and Andres Reyes arrived with their mother at a South Loop immigration office on Tuesday morning.

The men, 19 and 24, watched their mother, who was born in Mexico and has been in the U.S. for more than 24 years, enter the office where at least 10 people were detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement just two weeks ago in what federal agents called “executable final orders of removal.”

And the brothers waited.

“We fear her being detained and us not being there,” Andres Reyes said of his mother, who is seeking citizenship and is in the country on a work permit. “We can’t really do anything about it or get involved in that, but we just always want to be with her.”

Ultimately, their mother was not detained. The brothers left with her around 1 p.m --ChiSunTimes

No one should be deported if they are going through the lengthy process of citizenship and keeping their appointments.
But unfortunately when you have a daily quota for deportations, you have to hit them by any means necessary.

She was not detained.

BPPLEE · Jun 21, 2025

Say it aint so said:
This is also really sick.

Wearing their Illinois National Guard uniforms, Axel and Andres Reyes arrived with their mother at a South Loop immigration office on Tuesday morning.

The men, 19 and 24, watched their mother, who was born in Mexico and has been in the U.S. for more than 24 years, enter the office where at least 10 people were detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement just two weeks ago in what federal agents called “executable final orders of removal.”

And the brothers waited.

“We fear her being detained and us not being there,” Andres Reyes said of his mother, who is seeking citizenship and is in the country on a work permit. “We can’t really do anything about it or get involved in that, but we just always want to be with her.”

Ultimately, their mother was not detained. The brothers left with her around 1 p.m --ChiSunTimes

No one should be deported if they are going through the lengthy process of citizenship and keeping their appointments.
But unfortunately when you have a daily quota for deportations, you have to hit them by any means necessary.

I don't think this example supports your argument. The woman was not detained

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