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Trump Making Same Mistake as Obama

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They seem to forget that they govern the entire country and not just those who voted for them.
Then they push a very extreme and specific agenda.
Naturally there is resistance and backlash.

Next thing you know we have the opposite in office.

Too bad the cycle goes on and on.
 

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I'm sorry, I don't recall Obama not being President of the entire country, or pretending that he was only the President of those that supported him. I'm curious what specifically he did that makes you feel he didn't represent the entire country, other than implementing the political agenda he ran on?

Let me state up front, also, that I wasn't a huge fan of Obama. There were a lot of things I felt he should have done differently and really wish Romney would have beaten him in 2012.

What I recall is Republicans not supporting him, including the "not my President" line. Granted, it was largely stolen from Democrats talking about Bush (and possibly Republican's during Clinton), so that was nothing new. At the same time, you had National Republicans saying various things against Obama, like Mitch McConnell's saying the number 1 goal of Republicans was making Obama a one-term president. You had the Tea Party that seemed to be largely created to fight Obama's election (yes, I know, it was supposed to be about the deficit but it only gained momentum after Obama took office, despite the major recession funding programs Bush passed). And, of course, the Tea Party fell apart after Trump took office, replacing Obama, despite Trump increasing deficit spending.
 
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I don't see the similarity. Obama favored the needs of the people who voted for him (the common good.)

Trump favors the needs of those who line his pockets--and so far has not done one positive thing to help the 49.9% who voted for him.
 
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The ACA isn't perfect, but it has given medical insurance to about 16 million more people. I have had family members who have benefited from the Affordable Care Act. Maybe it's not popular with Republicans, but I have seen that the Republicans in my state stubbornly cling to their misery and steadfastly refuse to do anything that will get them out of it. Every once in awhile they'll get mad and sign petitions for a referendum, to raise the minimum wage for example. 2/3 of the people voted for the increase and the legislature spends its next session removing huge numbers of people from minimum wage protection. But that was not enough. Now they are trying to end referendums all together with the cooperation of the Secretary of State. The Republicans who voted for the minimum wage increase somehow don't make the connection that the party they support is heavily invested in keeping them down.
 
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I'm sorry, I don't recall Obama not being President of the entire country, or pretending that he was only the President of those that supported him. I'm curious what specifically he did that makes you feel he didn't represent the entire country, other than implementing the political agenda he ran on?

Let me state up front, also, that I wasn't a huge fan of Obama. There were a lot of things I felt he should have done differently and really wish Romney would have beaten him in 2012.

What I recall is Republicans not supporting him, including the "not my President" line. Granted, it was largely stolen from Democrats talking about Bush (and possibly Republican's during Clinton), so that was nothing new. At the same time, you had National Republicans saying various things against Obama, like Mitch McConnell's saying the number 1 goal of Republicans was making Obama a one-term president. You had the Tea Party that seemed to be largely created to fight Obama's election (yes, I know, it was supposed to be about the deficit but it only gained momentum after Obama took office, despite the major recession funding programs Bush passed). And, of course, the Tea Party fell apart after Trump took office, replacing Obama, despite Trump increasing deficit spending.
I think your timeline of the Tea Party isn't quite right. The Tea Party started under the Bush administration. To be fair, you didn't claim it started before Obama, just that it "only gained momentum after Obama took office". But in terms of when it ended, it was on the decline before Trump. It's hard for me to remember things perfectly year by year, but by the time Trump was running for the Republican nomination, I don't think I had heard much of anything about the Tea Party for a good while.

Let's look, for example, at the Wikipedia article on the Tea Party from 2015:

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Tea Party activities have declined since 2010.[146][147] According to Harvard professor Theda Skocpol, the number of Tea Party chapters across the country has slipped from about 1,000 to 600, but that this is still "a very good survival rate." Mostly, Tea Party organizations are said to have shifted away from national demonstrations to local issues.[146] A shift in the operational approach used by the Tea Party has also affected the movement's visibility, with chapters placing more emphasis on the mechanics of policy and getting candidates elected rather than staging public events.[148][149]

The Tea Party's involvement in the 2012 GOP presidential primaries was minimal, owing to divisions over whom to endorse as well as lack of enthusiasm for all the candidates.[147] Which is not to say the 2012 GOP ticket has not had an influence on the Tea Party: following the selection of Paul Ryan as Mitt Romney's vice-presidential running mate, the New York Times declared that the once fringe of the conservative coalition, Tea Party lawmakers are now "indisputably at the core of the modern Republican Party."[150]


So this mentions it was on the decline, and this was May 2015, before Trump had formally announced his campaign. In fact, it's notable that even though this was 2015, it was unable to name much of anything they had done since 2012 (it goes on to mention a rally in 2014).

Notably, here's an article from several months before Trump's victory, let alone before he had did any increase in deficit spending:

So this was saying the Tea Party was dead, and before Trump won anything either. So it had fallen apart before Trump was elected, not after (I suppose one could say it was in the process of falling apart before Trump was elected, and Trump simply finished it off--but make no mistake, it was of little relevance before Trump).

Come to think of it, Black Lives Matter seems to be going through a similar decline to the Tea Party. Both started out as loosely organized social movements, and then got a lot of attention and controversy. And then the Tea Party sort of faded away, and people stopped talking about or even particularly caring about it. Black Lives Matter seems to be suffering a similar fate; I'm not sure the last time I even heard the movement referred to outside of people talking about things it did in the past. Like the Tea Party, some of its ideas continue onward, and have even been absorbed into one of the political parties; but the movement itself is of dramatically decreased relevance and I would not be surprised if, much like happened to the Tea Party movement's article, Wikipedia's article on Black Lives Matter opening words change from "Black Lives Matter (BLM) is..." to "Black Lives Matter (BLM) was..." at some point in the next five years.
 
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The ACA is more popular now than during Obama's administration.(Even among Republicans)
Of course; they're in those right to work without any employment benefits States.
 
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The ACA comes to mind.
That's your example of governing only for the people who voted for him? Lest you forget, there are a lot of poor conservatives who now have health insurance because of that bill. There would've been a lot more if Republican states hadn't fought the Medicaid expansion that was part of it.
 
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The ACA comes to mind.
Let's not forget, the ACA was a compromise. Well, it was intended as one, at least.

The ACA is based on a conservative, market-based health care plan that originated with the Heritage Foundation. It was even adopted earlier by Mitt Romney here in Massachusetts. The idea came about as an alternative to single payer health care plans favored by Democrats. In fact, the GOP actually favored this plan themselves back in 1993, then called the Health Equity and Access Reform Today (or HEART) Act of 1993.

It wasn't until President Obama and the Democratic party decided to adopt this plan that the GOP objected to it. Every one of their objections at the time were part of their own 1993 plan, including the mandate.

So the ACA can be viewed as an attempt by President Obama to compromise with Republicans on a health care reform plan that they'd agree with. Only, he probably didn't foresee them disagreeing with their own plan, apparently out of spite.

-- A2SG, seems the GOP was less willing to work with President Obama than he was to work with them....
 
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The ACA is more popular now than during Obama's administration.(Even among Republicans)
Yes, but at the time there was great resistance.

Also Dodd-Frank Act, Economic Stimulus Package, and Paris Climate Agreement. I am not saying these were mistakes. I am saying that the president in power needs to listen and dialogue better. Perhaps less will get done. But at a time such as this "less is more".
 
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Yes, but at the time there was great resistance.

Also Dodd-Frank Act, Economic Stimulus Package, and Paris Climate Agreement. I am not saying these were mistakes. I am saying that the president in power needs to listen and dialogue better. Perhaps less will get done. But at a time such as this "less is more".
Dialogue with those who get their marching orders from a president who has only listened to his policy briefings 12 times in 5 months is a pretty fruitless exercise. Trump's control over his legislators and judges is so complete that we will need Legions of deprogrammers to bring them back to reality.
 
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Dialogue with those who get their marching orders from a president who has only listened to his policy briefings 12 times in 5 months is a pretty fruitless exercise. Trump's control over his legislators and judges is so complete that we will need Legions of deprogrammers to bring them back to reality.
And that is his mistake to which we are already seeing tremendous backlash. I would not be at all surprised to see significant change at mid-terms. This kind of instability is destructive.
 
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Yes, but at the time there was great resistance.

Also Dodd-Frank Act, Economic Stimulus Package, and Paris Climate Agreement. I am not saying these were mistakes. I am saying that the president in power needs to listen and dialogue better. Perhaps less will get done. But at a time such as this "less is more".
We already have less. The omnipresent risk of a senate filibuster virtually guarantees that we have less. We can clearly see over the last 30 years that less has not been more; it's just been less because empowering the minority party to this degree just makes our government even more sclerotic than it was designed to be. I don't like most Republican policies, but I'd be willing to give up the filibuster if it means making them have to actually put up or shut up with regards to legislating policy.
 
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Yes, but at the time there was great resistance.
At the time because Republicans were lying about it.
Also Dodd-Frank Act,
Dodd-Frank was a law that protected the whole country from stupid financial institutions. The only people that don't like it are those lying Republicans that want to make risky decisions with other people's money
Economic Stimulus Package,
Another bill for the entire country. Republicans ruined the economy and Democrats fixed it.
and Paris Climate Agreement.
A Treaty for the entire planet. A Treaty for the generations to come.
I am not saying these were mistakes. I am saying that the president in power needs to listen and dialogue better.
Yes, Trump needs to listen but lacks that ability unless it effects him negatively.
Perhaps less will get done. But at a time such as this "less is more".
Incorrect, less allows idiots the freedom to ruin things. Deregulation leads to economic disaster.
 
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At the time because Republicans were lying about it.

Dodd-Frank was a law that protected the whole country from stupid financial institutions. The only people that don't like it are those lying Republicans that want to make risky decisions with other people's money

Another bill for the entire country. Republicans ruined the economy and Democrats fixed it.

A Treaty for the entire planet. A Treaty for the generations to come.

Yes, Trump needs to listen but lacks that ability unless it effects him negatively.

Incorrect, less allows idiots the freedom to ruin things. Deregulation leads to economic disaster.
Honestly, what you had to respond to sounded straight out the echo chamber.
 
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The ACA comes to mind.
Let me say this about the ACA. It wasn't always called that. It originated under the Heritage Foundation, a GOP conservative think tank. Then GOP Governor Mitt Romney implemented it in the state of Massachusetts. It is literally a GOP policy implemented by a GOP controlled state, then adopted by the Obama admin. Only then did it get push back from the same group who came up with it in the first place. Kind of seems to me Obama was so much open to the ideas of others, he adopted them.
 
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