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Have you ever had Spiritual Direction? When I first started I really did not have the slightest idea of what it was about.

Then I read The Practice of Spiritual Direction way back in the late1980's.

Good book but also some things to kick around.


"spiritual direction is concerned with helping a person directly with his or her relationship with God." p. 5

That sounds simple enough. But it gets more sophisticated.

"The ministering person helps the other to address God directly and to listen to what God has to communicate. The focus of this kind of spiritual direction is the relationship itself between God and the person. The person is helped not so much to understand that relationship better, but to engage in it, to enter into dialogue with God. Spiritual direction of this kind focusses on what happens when a person listens to and responds to a self-communicating God." p. 6


So we might be asked questions like, "What is God like for you in prayer?" That is actually a tough question to answer. To really be articulate and honest rather than saying what we think we should say.

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'What happens in your prayer?"

"What do you experience God telling you in prayer?"

"Who is God for you?"


"We define Christian spiritual direction, then, as help given by one Christian to another which enables that person to pay attention to God's personal communication to him or her, to respond to this personally communicating God, to grow in intimacy with this God, and to live out the consequences of the relationship. The focus of this type of spiritual direction is on experience, not ideas, and specifically on religious experience, i.e., any experience of the mysterious Other whom we call God. Moreover, this experience is viewed, not as an isolated event, but as an expression of the ongoing personal relationship God has established with each one of us." p 8


So the priority is given to experience rather than teachings or methods or things we should do or not do

"The spiritual director is most interested in what happens when a person consciously puts himself into the presence of God....He is interested in the whole person, but the focus of interest is the prayer experience of the directee."


I wonder if this sort of attention is a critical missing element in most of our lives because it is not something often articulate unless we write in a personal journal.

"What is God like for me in prayer?" Well, God does not talk to me verbally unless I read words in scripture. "What do I feel in prayer? Experience God in prayer?" Well, it depends and it varies. Sometimes it seems no one is there, no one listening. At other times it is as if the air around me, the environment itself is God present to me. And sometimes it depends on where my thoughts go.
 
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Have you ever had Spiritual Direction? When I first started I really did not have the slightest idea of what it was about.

Then I read The Practice of Spiritual Direction way back in the late1980's.

Good book but also some things to kick around.


"spiritual direction is concerned with helping a person directly with his or her relationship with God." p. 5

That sounds simple enough. But it gets more sophisticated.

"The ministering person helps the other to address God directly and to listen to what God has to communicate. The focus of this kind of spiritual direction is the relationship itself between God and the person. The person is helped not so much to understand that relationship better, but to engage in it, to enter into dialogue with God. Spiritual direction of this kind focusses on what happens when a person listens to and responds to a self-communicating God." p. 6


So we might be asked questions like, "What is God like for you in prayer?" That is actually a tough question to answer. To really be articulate and honest rather than saying what we think we should say.

or

'What happens in your prayer?"

"What do you experience God telling you in prayer?"

"Who is God for you?"


"We define Christian spiritual direction, then, as help given by one Christian to another which enables that person to pay attention to God's personal communication to him or her, to respond to this personally communicating God, to grow in intimacy with this God, and to live out the consequences of the relationship. The focus of this type of spiritual direction is on experience, not ideas, and specifically on religious experience, i.e., any experience of the mysterious Other whom we call God. Moreover, this experience is viewed, not as an isolated event, but as an expression of the ongoing personal relationship God has established with each one of us." p 8


So the priority is given to experience rather than teachings or methods or things we should do or not do

"The spiritual director is most interested in what happens when a person consciously puts himself into the presence of God....He is interested in the whole person, but the focus of interest is the prayer experience of the directee."


I wonder if this sort of attention is a critical missing element in most of our lives because it is not something often articulate unless we write in a personal journal.

"What is God like for me in prayer?" Well, God does not talk to me verbally unless I read words in scripture. "What do I feel in prayer? Experience God in prayer?" Well, it depends and it varies. Sometimes it seems no one is there, no one listening. At other times it is as if the air around me, the environment itself is God present to me. And sometimes it depends on where my thoughts go.
Spiritual direction is always towards Jesus Christ of Nazareth and agape love for Him keeps us walking towards that narrow gate of truth.
Be blessed.
 
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Yes, I’ve had spiritual direction with Benedictine nuns and monks.

I learned about different types of prayer.

Blessings
Did it bring you closer to God?
 
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Spiritual direction is always towards Jesus Christ of Nazareth and agape love for Him keeps us walking towards that narrow gate of truth.
Be blessed.
Yes, but I'd like to explore the process. What is it that helps most to accomplish that walk?
 
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Yes, but I'd like to explore the process. What is it that helps most to accomplish that walk?
There is no process. It is an unconditional love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth. From there we receive His Holy Spirit. He makes His Home in the believer. This is the union He promised all who believe and love Him.
 
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There is no process. It is an unconditional love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth. From there we receive His Holy Spirit. He makes His Home in the believer. This is the union He promised all who believe and love Him.
Have you been to Spiritual Direction?
 
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There is no process. It is an unconditional love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth. From there we receive His Holy Spirit. He makes His Home in the believer. This is the union He promised all who believe and love Him.
Spiritual direction is mostly about prayer and learning to pray.

God bless
 
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Spiritual direction is mostly about prayer and learning to pray.
And part of that process seems to involve each of us becoming more aware of what our prayer is, who is God for us in that prayer, how do we experience God, what is it like for us and what is our response? These are questions that I think most of us do not explore or try to articulate answers to.
 
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And part of that process seems to involve each of us becoming more aware of what our prayer is, who is God for us in that prayer, how do we experience God, what is it like for us and what is our response? These are questions that I think most of us do not explore or try to articulate answers to.
Absolutely! Very well said!
 
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Absolutely! Very well said!
That is the point of view in the OP book. I think it makes sense as well as catches me off guard a bit. Not things I usually ponder.
 
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I've had spiritual direction on and off (mostly on) now for about 17 years. I usually see my spiritual director about once a month.

Sometimes I find those conversations very helpful and very much prompting new insight. Other times not so much. I think the discipline of seeing someone, though, prompts me to pay attention in a way that maybe I wouldn't be so disciplined about, otherwise.

I also think, for me, where my experience of God is so tied up with my experience of the church (and the church - you will be astonished to hear - is not always a terribly spiritually or emotionally healthy place), having someone help me untangle how some of that can get messy is very helpful.
 
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I considered joining a program but opted not to. I was pretty adept at prayer and contemplation when I visited the monastery and moved away from lectio divina a little later for more advanced techniques and continued down that path. Most of the things I’ve learned aren’t typically taught in western churches. I prefer a practical results oriented approach to prayer than the norm. Which includes offensive and defensive prayers coupled with strategic improvements. There are specific times of the year when I address issues that are more favorable than others. That’s an outgrowth of my understanding of the biblical calendar and it’s application to daily living.

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I prefer a practical results oriented approach to prayer than the norm.
"Practical results" interests me. In terms of a relationship with someone (i.e., God) , what might practical results look like?
 
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"What is God like for you in prayer?"

'What happens in your prayer?"

"What do you experience God telling you in prayer?"

"Who is God for you?"

"What is God like for me in prayer?"
"What do I feel in prayer? Experience God in prayer?"
Prayer tends to be God acting through me without my knowledge of whatever He is doing, and trusting in whatever that is.

Experiencing a warmth radiating throughout me that reduces or eliminates useless or harmful thoughts is part of it too.

The closeness with God is the main thing, but overlooking the "fruit" of it, would be silly.
 
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Prayer tends to be God acting through me without my knowledge of whatever He is doing, and trusting in whatever that is.
Do you think more reflection on God's action and becoming more knowledgeable of that action is important?
Experiencing a warmth radiating throughout me that reduces or eliminates useless or harmful thoughts is part of it too.
It warm me just to see you write that. But it is not always the only experience of prayer.
The closeness with God is the main thing, but overlooking the "fruit" of it, would be silly.
Right, closeness is great, but what are its effects on us? Is that what you mean by fruits? How it transforms us?
 
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Do you think more reflection on God's action and becoming more knowledgeable of that action is important?
Reflection is important with intimate knowledge of God and part of what I experience. The difference between the unity God represents through the trinity and for those Jesus prayed for all who believe varies greatly from the unity of world spirituality.
It warm me just to see you write that. But it is not always the only experience of prayer.
This is true, it has not always been my experience of prayer either. I understand it's a result of spiritual maturity.
Right, closeness is great, but what are its effects on us? Is that what you mean by fruits? How it transforms us?
Transformation is important, but being with God really matters too. There's a way of seeing the world that is only possible when God is always there with you, and you are aware of it.
 
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"Practical results" interests me. In terms of a relationship with someone (i.e., God) , what might practical results look like?

It’s problem-solving at its core. If I have a dilemma I’m not looking for advice thrown against the wall like spaghetti. I want concrete solutions that resolve the issue and minimize damage. Which isn’t formulaic. You can’t pray the same things for every problem or broach them identically.

For example, let’s say I want to improve my health. I‘d have to start with the word on the subject and acknowledge my transgressions and willingness to change. I’ll demonstrate my seriousness by seeking His counsel, heeding His feedback, modifying my diet and so on. That’s faith and works in action.

I don’t live my life like a game of darts. If I’m not committed the outcome will be less impactful than one undertaken with a different mindset. Why would I spend years praying for something if I’m not all in? I need to reach that point then aim for the target.

As such, when I pray I expect results because I’ve put in the work and the conditions are favorable. Standing is less difficult because it isn’t a hail mary and I don’t have regrets. It’s my responsibility to do what I can in the natural, address the spiritual where possible and leave the rest to Him.

~bella
 
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Reflection is important with intimate knowledge of God and part of what I experience. The difference between the unity God represents through the trinity and for those Jesus prayed for all who believe varies greatly from the unity of world spirituality.

This is true, it has not always been my experience of prayer either. I understand it's a result of spiritual maturity.

Transformation is important, but being with God really matters too. There's a way of seeing the world that is only possible when God is always there with you, and you are aware of it.
I think the main point of spiritual direction is to help us be more mindful, more aware, more attentive to God's closeness and action in out lives. we so easily get distracted and caught up in our daily practical matters.
 
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