Elon Musk calls Trump’s ‘big, beautiful’ tax bill a ‘disgusting abomination’

Hans Blaster said:

Are you an accellerationist? (If you don't properly know the term answer as such.)

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Speaking politically, I think there are areas that tactic is necessary today.

As we knew in the military, telling leadership, "This is going to break when we really need it...we should fix it today" sometimes doesn't work.

Sometimes you have to make it break early, so that it gets fixed before you really need it.

RDKirk said:

Speaking politically, I think there are areas that tactic is necessary today.

As we knew in the military, telling leadership, "This is going to break when we really need it...we should fix it today" sometimes doesn't work.

Sometimes you have to make it break early, so that it gets fixed before you really need it.

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Whats an example of how this could play out politically?

bèlla said:

Wasn’t there a policy passed that benefited his business? It may be something I saw elsewhere. Rest assured, he’ll get his perks as will others. They’re always paid first. That’s how it works. The Chrisley pardon is a good example.

~bella

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So when Musk drops this on X, is it just all part of the game?

“Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!”

durangodawood said:

So when Musk drops this on X, is it just all part of the game?

“Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!”

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It’s all part of the plan! 75d inverted chess played on a hungry hungry hippo board! it’s unpossible that someone can be extremely successful and also be mercurial and/or high as a kite.

Musk says SpaceX will decommission Dragon spacecraft after Trump threat​

• Elon Musk said SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft “immediately” because of threats by President Donald Trump to cancel government contracts with Musk’s businesses.
• Musk’s announcement on his social media site X escalated a war of words with Trump that began after the Tesla CEO criticized the major tax bill being pushed by the Republican president.

Dragon is the only U.S. option for delivering crew to and from the International Space Station.

durangodawood said:

So when Musk drops this on X, is it just all part of the game?

“Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!”

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Do I really need to answer that? He had over 200 cameras in his home and Diddy had the same and we haven’t seen any photos. You do the math. For the sake of the thread I’ll include a snippet on PRS commonly known as Problem, Reaction and Solution.

The concept of PRS suggests that certain events or crises are intentionally orchestrated to manipulate public opinion and advance specific agendas. Here's a further expansion on this concept:

In the "problem, reaction, solution" framework, the process typically starts with the identification or creation of a problem.

This problem could be a real issue or one that is exaggerated or manufactured for the purpose of generating a particular response. The problem is carefully crafted to evoke strong emotional reactions from the public, such as fear, anger, or a sense of urgency.

Once the problem is presented, the next stage involves monitoring and manipulating the public reaction. This can be achieved through media coverage, propaganda, or other forms of communication that amplify the emotional response of the public. The intention is to ensure that the desired reaction aligns with the agenda or objectives of the orchestrators.

Finally, a pre-planned solution is offered as the apparent resolution to the problem. This solution may have been devised well in advance, and its presentation is strategically timed to take advantage of the heightened emotional state of the public.

It may involve policy changes, new laws, increased surveillance, or other measures that may serve the interests of a select group or individual, often at the expense of civil liberties, transparency, or public welfare.

Believe it or not if you want. Your life will bear witness to the truth eventually. You can follow them if you like or choose a different course. But the consequences are yours. We all must decide how we’ll navigate the board and play our hand. You want to be convinced and that’s your problem. No one is going to wrestle with anyone in this hour. Things are moving too fast. They’ll share a thought or drop a nugget or two and that’s it. We have to put in the work if we want answers. No one’s going to tell you everything.

~bella

RDKirk said:

Speaking politically, I think there are areas that tactic is necessary today.

As we knew in the military, telling leadership, "This is going to break when we really need it...we should fix it today" sometimes doesn't work.

Sometimes you have to make it break early, so that it gets fixed before you really need it.

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I think that Trump--unintentionally--is taking actions that will accelerate to a climax (one way or another) certain unfavorable national trends that would otherwise have tottered on for much longer.

bèlla said:

Do I really need to answer that? He had over 200 cameras in his home and Diddy had the same and we haven’t seen any photos. You do the math. For the sake of the thread I’ll include a snippet on PRS commonly known as Problem, Reaction and Solution.

The concept of PRS suggests that certain events or crises are intentionally orchestrated to manipulate public opinion and advance specific agendas. Here's a further expansion on this concept:

In the "problem, reaction, solution" framework, the process typically starts with the identification or creation of a problem.

This problem could be a real issue or one that is exaggerated or manufactured for the purpose of generating a particular response. The problem is carefully crafted to evoke strong emotional reactions from the public, such as fear, anger, or a sense of urgency.

Once the problem is presented, the next stage involves monitoring and manipulating the public reaction. This can be achieved through media coverage, propaganda, or other forms of communication that amplify the emotional response of the public. The intention is to ensure that the desired reaction aligns with the agenda or objectives of the orchestrators.

Finally, a pre-planned solution is offered as the apparent resolution to the problem. This solution may have been devised well in advance, and its presentation is strategically timed to take advantage of the heightened emotional state of the public.

It may involve policy changes, new laws, increased surveillance, or other measures that may serve the interests of a select group or individual, often at the expense of civil liberties, transparency, or public welfare.

Believe it or not if you want. Your life will bear witness to the truth eventually. You can follow them if you like or choose a different course. But the consequences are yours. We all must decide how we’ll navigate the board and play our hand. You want to be convinced and that’s your problem. No one is going to wrestle with anyone in this hour. Things are moving too fast. They’ll share a thought or drop a nugget or two and that’s it. We have to put in the work if we want answers. No one’s going to tell you everything.

~bella

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That's not impossible. If Trump is as cagey as his MAGA followers believe he is, that could be the ploy.

Not that those preconceived solutions would bear the fruit his MAGA followers want, however.

They would bear the fruit that his billionaire cohorts want.

Perhaps some have forgotten…

The woman who accused Epstein and Prince Andrew is dead. She passed away this year from an alleged suicide. But she made a public post noting otherwise several years beforehand. She received a sizable settlement that Queen Elizabeth paid on her son’s behalf. His guffaw with the reporter was the reason he‘s relieved of his duties.

References to Epstein never amount to anything. There’s too many powerful people involved.

RDKirk said:

That's not impossible. If Trump is as cagey as his MAGA followers believe he is, that could be the ploy.

Not that those preconceived solutions would bear the fruit his MAGA followers want, however.

They would bear the fruit that his billionaire cohorts want.

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He works for them not the people. But that’s difficult for some to accept who don’t understand our origin. There’s a skit you can see online taken from the Tercentenary Celebration in the UK for freemasonry and America was the subject. It’s an interesting piece.

Trump is a chaos agent foremost. That’s what his presence brings. I mean it in the natural and spiritual. If you’re familiar with chaos magick you’ll understand the reference and what Elon is implying when he calls himself dark maga. When Trump is in office he destabilizes the current. There’s a continual output of words and behavior that throws things off kilter. It’s like being on a boat that never stops rocking and that takes a toll on your psyche.

But that’s isn’t his only role. He’s also a salesman and that’s his greatest trick. He’s a lot like Janus. The face he reveals to the populace is the salesman and he uses it to manipulate and influence the people and gain their trust. But the real Trump is the other that’s why he seems erratic. He’s switching between the two as needed and distracting you all the while and that’s important.

He’s a necessary component for the 2030 agenda and more destabilizing than Kamala. He plays the part better than she would and is harder to ignore for most. They don’t want you prepared and focused on the things that will improve your circumstances and help you weather the transition. I posted something in the conspiracy forum you may want to see.

I don’t trust Trump or Elon. Both are part of the problem. And most of the time they’re messing with your head. Once you accept they can‘t be trusted you’ll see their behavior differently. When you educate yourself on certain subjects it helps you navigate and avoid the pitfalls. They’re all working together. The agendas differ but they accomplish the objective nonetheless.

Trump came in making cuts and people rejoiced at first. Then he targeted the poor and some people were happy with that. Now he’s messing with the middle class and some are panicking and he’s not done. We have 3 1/2 years of this and it’s gonna get bloody. That’s why Buffett is stacking cash and companies are doing buybacks. They’ll own everything soon.

It’s like a watching a play unfold. You want to look away but you can’t. It’s no longer a question of whether the ship is going to sink. It’s your position when it does. Remember the titanic.

~bella

iluvatar5150 said:

I don't have any love for Musk, but I think the claim that his current contracts were "previously won by better bidders" is... debatable at best. According to wikipedia, there are a total of six commercial launch vehicles that could even loosely be described as operational. Of those six, one is on the path to retirement, with no new launches being booked; and three are in the late stages of development or will be commencing commercial launches this year. Of the remaining two, one is owned by SpaceX.

Musk's issues aside, SpaceX is clearly outpacing the competition.

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I'm thinking of the FAA contract, I think it was. The one that was already won by Verizon (I think).

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/la...fluence-over-verizon-faa-contract-2025-02-28/

Musk Leverages His Unelected Non-Existent Authority And Expertise To Steal $2 Billion FAA Contract From Verizon - Above the Law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/26/musk-starlink-doge-faa-verizon/

Elon Musk's Starlink has a growing footprint in the federal government

What exactly needs fleets of tiny eyesores orbiting through the upper atmosphere in these contracts?

bèlla said:

He works for them not the people. But that’s difficult for some to accept who don’t understand our origin. There’s a skit you can see online taken from the Tercentenary Celebration in the UK for freemasonry and America was the subject. It’s an interesting piece.

Trump is a chaos agent foremost. That’s what his presence brings. I mean it in the natural and spiritual. If you’re familiar with chaos magick you’ll understand the reference and what Elon is implying when he calls himself dark maga. When Trump is in office he destabilizes the current. There’s a continual output of words and behavior that throws things off kilter. It’s like being on a boat that never stops rocking and that takes a toll on your psyche.

But that’s isn’t his only role. He’s also a salesman and that’s his greatest trick. He’s a lot like Janus. The face he reveals to the populace is the salesman and he uses it to manipulate and influence the people and gain their trust. But the real Trump is the other that’s why he seems erratic. He’s switching between the two as needed and distracting you all the while and that’s important.

He’s a necessary component for the 2030 agenda and more destabilizing than Kamala. He plays the part better than she would and is harder to ignore for most. They don’t want you prepared and focused on the things that will improve your circumstances and help you weather the transition. I posted something in the conspiracy forum you may want to see.

I don’t trust Trump or Elon. Both are part of the problem. And most of the time they’re messing with your head. Once you accept they can‘t be trusted you’ll see their behavior differently. When you educate yourself on certain subjects it helps you navigate and avoid the pitfalls. They’re all working together. The agendas differ but they accomplish the objective nonetheless.

Trump came in making cuts and people rejoiced at first. Then he targeted the poor and some people were happy with that. Now he’s messing with the middle class and some are panicking and he’s not done. We have 3 1/2 years of this and it’s gonna get bloody. That’s why Buffett is stacking cash and companies are doing buybacks. They’ll own everything soon.

It’s like a watching a play unfold. You want to look away but you can’t. It’s no longer a question of whether the ship is going to sink. It’s your position when it does. Remember the titanic.

~bella

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This is a quote from what is currently my favorite television program:

I believe we are in crisis.

The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss.

Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous.

The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil.

When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest.

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Hans Blaster said:

I'm thinking of the FAA contract, I think it was. The one that was already won by Verizon (I think).

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/la...fluence-over-verizon-faa-contract-2025-02-28/

Musk Leverages His Unelected Non-Existent Authority And Expertise To Steal $2 Billion FAA Contract From Verizon - Above the Law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/26/musk-starlink-doge-faa-verizon/

Elon Musk's Starlink has a growing footprint in the federal government

What exactly needs fleets of tiny eyesores orbiting through the upper atmosphere in these contracts?

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AFAIK, nothing with that contract has changed.

Hans Blaster said:

Are you an accellerationist? (If you don't properly know the term answer as such.

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i would say so. I haven't heard that term before, but the concept as a whole is intriguing to me... At least according to the following description.

Landon Caeli said:

i would say so. I haven't heard that term before, but the concept as a whole is intriguing to me... At least according to the following description.

Accelerationism: how a fringe philosophy predicted the future we live in

The long read: The world is changing at dizzying speed – but for some thinkers, not quickly enough. Is accelerationism a dangerous idea or does it speak to our troubled times?

www.theguardian.com

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I'm glad you took the time to find out what it is, but I am disturbed that you find it intriguing.

What is it that you'd like to see emerge from the ashes of what is now after the change is accelerated?

Hans Blaster said:

I'm glad you took the time to find out what it is, but I am disturbed that you find it intriguing.

What is it that you'd like to see emerge from the ashes of what is now after the change is accelerated?

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I don't see any indication of anyone wanting to destroy what is, rather than to accelerate technology. In fact, with all due respect, I don't see anything wrong with this ideology either through a religious perspective, or politicaly, or culturally. I don't understand the fear of AI, to befin with, considering all one has to do is 'turn off the power' to make it stop, and then go back and fix what's wrong...

Can you formulate an argument on why an accellerationist is either using bad logic, or is misguided somehow?

Landon Caeli said:

I don't see any indication of anyone wanting to destroy what is, rather than to accelerate technology.

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It would have been good to read other articles past that single Guardian article. The other dozen links when I google it are about white nationalists adopting accelerationism as part of their ideology. (Though, I should be clear that accelerationism isn't a white nationalist ideology, just something they are starting to adapt.)

It isn't strictly about accelerating technology, but accelerating *change* to get a chance to implement what you really want after destroying the obstacles with the acceleration. Technology is one way to do that.

The problem with accelerationism is that it is about wrecking the things that stand in the way of the goal that accelerationism is being used to support and not caring what else is wrecked or if anyone else (particularly those that might not want their end goal). It is an ideology adopted by tech utopians, white nationalists, monarchists, facists, and others.

Landon Caeli said:

In fact, with all due respect, I don't see anything wrong with this ideology either through a religious perspective, or politicaly, or culturally.

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And that is why I am concerned about your interest (and understanding). What do you want to use accleeration of tech or events to destroy and what do you want to replace it? (or are you realizing that you are an accelerationist?)

Landon Caeli said:

I don't understand the fear of AI, to befin with, considering all one has to do is 'turn off the power' to make it stop, and then go back and fix what's wrong...

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AI is a different question and it isn't fear of the "technology taking over". It is that actual humans are going to trust that unreliable technology.

Landon Caeli said:

Can you formulate an argument on why an accellerationist is either using bad logic, or is misguided somehow?

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I didn't say anything about using bad logic.