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Has anyone ever known a protestant who defended the Catholic faith and later converted?

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My mom impressed me the other day. My family are all evangelicals, but they never took issue with my conversion and even took interest in it. My mom and sister came to my confirmation (dad didn't just because he can't sit long in a pew without major discomfort). So I've been lucky in that regard, in the sense that none of the non-Catholics closest to me had any issue with my conversion.

Recently I found out that one of my mom's close lifelong friends apparently DOES have an issue, and she brings it up often when she and my mom talk. I personally don't care cause I find this friend of her obnoxious and try to avoid her anyway. However, my mom told me recently about their conversation and how her friend trotted out all the usual propaganda. What I found interesting though is that my mom went to bat for the faith. Her friend was tossing out all the usual lies about Our Lady and my mom was disputing them, and even went so far as to tell her "Don't you think if the God of the universe chooses someone to bear his Son that makes her pretty special?"

My mom's always been a peculiar case to me. She's always seemed to find some appreciation for Catholic teaching, worship, etc. She values the beauty in our sacred art, architecture, and especially music (she's a musician). Yet she's never been able to bring herself to convert. I think she has some hangup she's not willing to name or explain, but I think it comes from her Baptist upbringing (which she's always resented, ironically).

But I'm curious and hopeful that her defense of Our Lady could be a positive indicator that maybe she's softening up a bit. I don't know if I'll ever be the one to escort her to RCIA since I've been trying for eight years, but I pray it happens with or without my help. If she converted my dad would do it at the drop of a hat, he's rather fond of Catholicism and only stays where he is because of my mom. And then I wonder whether my sister and her husband might be open to converting if my mom did.

Anyway, does anyone know of any Saints or anecdotes or individuals they know personally who kind of set a precedent for this?
 

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I’ve seen people defend the faith but that’s about as far as it went. I think the prevailing attitude amongst other Christians that see Catholics as their brethren is that conversion is not really necessary because we are all Christians. I’m a convert as well and it seems that for Christians outside the Church they often feel like they have hit a brick wall or are missing something. And that process of conversion can take a long time. The actual act of conversion into the Church can be quite intimidating to many as well.
 
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My mom impressed me the other day. My family are all evangelicals, but they never took issue with my conversion and even took interest in it. My mom and sister came to my confirmation (dad didn't just because he can't sit long in a pew without major discomfort). So I've been lucky in that regard, in the sense that none of the non-Catholics closest to me had any issue with my conversion.

Recently I found out that one of my mom's close lifelong friends apparently DOES have an issue, and she brings it up often when she and my mom talk. I personally don't care cause I find this friend of her obnoxious and try to avoid her anyway. However, my mom told me recently about their conversation and how her friend trotted out all the usual propaganda. What I found interesting though is that my mom went to bat for the faith. Her friend was tossing out all the usual lies about Our Lady and my mom was disputing them, and even went so far as to tell her "Don't you think if the God of the universe chooses someone to bear his Son that makes her pretty special?"

My mom's always been a peculiar case to me. She's always seemed to find some appreciation for Catholic teaching, worship, etc. She values the beauty in our sacred art, architecture, and especially music (she's a musician). Yet she's never been able to bring herself to convert. I think she has some hangup she's not willing to name or explain, but I think it comes from her Baptist upbringing (which she's always resented, ironically).

But I'm curious and hopeful that her defense of Our Lady could be a positive indicator that maybe she's softening up a bit. I don't know if I'll ever be the one to escort her to RCIA since I've been trying for eight years, but I pray it happens with or without my help. If she converted my dad would do it at the drop of a hat, he's rather fond of Catholicism and only stays where he is because of my mom. And then I wonder whether my sister and her husband might be open to converting if my mom did.

Anyway, does anyone know of any Saints or anecdotes or individuals they know personally who kind of set a precedent for this?
Maybe this link to the Coming Home Network - which has several websites - could help. This ministry, begun by Marcus Grodi, a former Presbyterial minister who converted, helps others who have been trained as non-Catholics, but whose growing in Christ led them to the Catholic Truth. There are many such examples cited on this website.
 
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My mom impressed me the other day. My family are all evangelicals, but they never took issue with my conversion and even took interest in it. My mom and sister came to my confirmation (dad didn't just because he can't sit long in a pew without major discomfort). So I've been lucky in that regard, in the sense that none of the non-Catholics closest to me had any issue with my conversion.

Recently I found out that one of my mom's close lifelong friends apparently DOES have an issue, and she brings it up often when she and my mom talk. I personally don't care cause I find this friend of her obnoxious and try to avoid her anyway. However, my mom told me recently about their conversation and how her friend trotted out all the usual propaganda. What I found interesting though is that my mom went to bat for the faith. Her friend was tossing out all the usual lies about Our Lady and my mom was disputing them, and even went so far as to tell her "Don't you think if the God of the universe chooses someone to bear his Son that makes her pretty special?"

My mom's always been a peculiar case to me. She's always seemed to find some appreciation for Catholic teaching, worship, etc. She values the beauty in our sacred art, architecture, and especially music (she's a musician). Yet she's never been able to bring herself to convert. I think she has some hangup she's not willing to name or explain, but I think it comes from her Baptist upbringing (which she's always resented, ironically).

But I'm curious and hopeful that her defense of Our Lady could be a positive indicator that maybe she's softening up a bit. I don't know if I'll ever be the one to escort her to RCIA since I've been trying for eight years, but I pray it happens with or without my help. If she converted my dad would do it at the drop of a hat, he's rather fond of Catholicism and only stays where he is because of my mom. And then I wonder whether my sister and her husband might be open to converting if my mom did.

Anyway, does anyone know of any Saints or anecdotes or individuals they know personally who kind of set a precedent for this?
Thomas Howard, from a famous evangelical family became convinced that most evangelical worship was lacking and that liturgy was the answer. He wrote some very popular books including ‘Christ the Tiger’ but he made huge waves when he wrote ‘Evangelical is Not Enough’ while still an evangelical. He finally became a Catholic. His books, even the old ones(often under new names), are published by Ignatius Press.

What could well happen with your mom is that attacks by this friend will push your mom to start investigating on her own, and then you get the snowball effect. Being fair and informed about one Catholic thing leads to more and more. You just need to let her know that you have some resources. She might ask to borrow them. Karl Keating’s Fundamentalism book might push her over the edge.
 
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When I was Presbyterian, my old pastor was having some doubts about the Protestant position. He even went so far as to say "I sometimes wonder if Protestants get into heaven... I don't think God accepts the division of His church as easily as we do..." (or words to that effect).

I said to him "If you believe that, then why are you still Protestant?" He thought for a moment and then replied "They (the Catholic Church) have done a lot of damage at times".

We left it at that. It was late in the day in the sense that I would shortly leave his church as I was getting married and would move some distance away. He had cancer and died about four months after I departed so we both left at about the same time so to speak.

I think he mentioned he had started RCIA but added "That's if I live long enough". I had no idea what RCIA was at the time so I didn't take a lot of notice. But he would not have lived long enough.

He predicted I'd become Catholic, with a couple of other comments thrown in. My father was Catholic (but he lost his faith - I think he's in Hell personally due to an incident the night he died, and church teaching anyway) but when the pastor said he thought I'd become Catholic I responded "It seems to me that God has taken me out of the Catholic Church through my father."

He said "I think God might want you to go back there". A few yearrs later I did.

I didn't come from a strong family Presbyterian background. My parents married in 1953 a year before I was born. He was (lapsed) Catholic and she was Anglican. Back then there were dogmatic opinions about who could marry who and where. My mother happened to work in what was then one of Brisbane's biggest retail stores called McWhirters. but they've long since closed. They were in a suburb next to the City itself called Fortitude Valley.

Right behind McWhirters was a Presbyterian Church. The builiding itswlf is now heritage listed, and being used as a nightclub (shows how the church is going). I can't prove it but I suspect my mother sweet talked the then pastor into marrying them. She could talk to anybody.

But he probably insisted on a quid pro quo - any issue would have to be baptised Presbyterian. That's where they married, and that's where I was baptised.

My later sister (six years later) wasn't baptised at all, although I think she had herself baptised as an adult as she was moving towards Christ when she died of leukemia at the age of 45 (another of my old pastor's predictions viz. "I don't think your sister will live very long. I think she'll get leukemia").

So in a family of four we had a lapsed non-believeing Catholic, a half believing Anglican, a nominal Presbyerian (until I took it seriously at the age of 28) and one non-baptised. Until I took it seriously none of us went to church although I had a bit of Sunday School when I was young.

To quote the pastor "Your family is like a microcosm of modern Western Christendom - more mixed up than scrambled eggs".

Anyway if he'd lived long enough, I think he might have become Catholic. He wasn't virulently anti Catholic saying to me once "Protestants tell a lot of lies about Catholics and the Catholic Church". Lying is a sin incidentally.
 
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I’ve seen people defend the faith but that’s about as far as it went. I think the prevailing attitude amongst other Christians that see Catholics as their brethren is that conversion is not really necessary because we are all Christians. I’m a convert as well and it seems that for Christians outside the Church they often feel like they have hit a brick wall or are missing something. And that process of conversion can take a long time. The actual act of conversion into the Church can be quite intimidating to many as well.
That's what I'm worried about. My mom is just relativistic enough that I think she would see conversion as a pointless thing like it's an "internal move", switching rooms inside a hotel so to speak. That may be why I've never been able to get her to even explore the inquiry classes, or maybe it's just laziness.
Maybe this link to the Coming Home Network - which has several websites - could help. This ministry, begun by Marcus Grodi, a former Presbyterial minister who converted, helps others who have been trained as non-Catholics, but whose growing in Christ led them to the Catholic Truth. There are many such examples cited on this website.
That's awesome, thanks for sharing that. It seems like it'll be relatable for my mom.
Thomas Howard, from a famous evangelical family became convinced that most evangelical worship was lacking and that liturgy was the answer. He wrote some very popular books including ‘Christ the Tiger’ but he made huge waves when he wrote ‘Evangelical is Not Enough’ while still an evangelical. He finally became a Catholic. His books, even the old ones(often under new names), are published by Ignatius Press.

What could well happen with your mom is that attacks by this friend will push your mom to start investigating on her own, and then you get the snowball effect. Being fair and informed about one Catholic thing leads to more and more. You just need to let her know that you have some resources. She might ask to borrow them. Karl Keating’s Fundamentalism book might push her over the edge.
You know I think I've actually recently seen the cover for Evangelical is not Enough cause that title sounds really familiar. Maybe I should pick up a copy and leave it sitting around my parents house somewhere, heh. But yeah you have a good idea there letting my mom know I have resources I can provide her if she's ever curious about something that comes up in conversation with her friend.
When I was Presbyterian, my old pastor was having some doubts about the Protestant position. He even went so far as to say "I sometimes wonder if Protestants get into heaven... I don't think God accepts the division of His church as easily as we do..." (or words to that effect).

I said to him "If you believe that, then why are you still Protestant?" He thought for a moment and then replied "They (the Catholic Church) have done a lot of damage at times".

We left it at that. It was late in the day in the sense that I would shortly leave his church as I was getting married and would move some distance away. He had cancer and died about four months after I departed so we both left at about the same time so to speak.

I think he mentioned he had started RCIA but added "That's if I live long enough". I had no idea what RCIA was at the time so I didn't take a lot of notice. But he would not have lived long enough.

He predicted I'd become Catholic, with a couple of other comments thrown in. My father was Catholic (but he lost his faith - I think he's in Hell personally due to an incident the night he died, and church teaching anyway) but when the pastor said he thought I'd become Catholic I responded "It seems to me that God has taken me out of the Catholic Church through my father."

He said "I think God might want you to go back there". A few yearrs later I did.

I didn't come from a strong family Presbyterian background. My parents married in 1953 a year before I was born. He was (lapsed) Catholic and she was Anglican. Back then there were dogmatic opinions about who could marry who and where. My mother happened to work in what was then one of Brisbane's biggest retail stores called McWhirters. but they've long since closed. They were in a suburb next to the City itself called Fortitude Valley.

Right behind McWhirters was a Presbyterian Church. The builiding itswlf is now heritage listed, and being used as a nightclub (shows how the church is going). I can't prove it but I suspect my mother sweet talked the then pastor into marrying them. She could talk to anybody.

But he probably insisted on a quid pro quo - any issue would have to be baptised Presbyterian. That's where they married, and that's where I was baptised.

My later sister (six years later) wasn't baptised at all, although I think she had herself baptised as an adult as she was moving towards Christ when she died of leukemia at the age of 45 (another of my old pastor's predictions viz. "I don't think your sister will live very long. I think she'll get leukemia").

So in a family of four we had a lapsed non-believeing Catholic, a half believing Anglican, a nominal Presbyerian (until I took it seriously at the age of 28) and one non-baptised. Until I took it seriously none of us went to church although I had a bit of Sunday School when I was young.

To quote the pastor "Your family is like a microcosm of modern Western Christendom - more mixed up than scrambled eggs".

Anyway if he'd lived long enough, I think he might have become Catholic. He wasn't virulently anti Catholic saying to me once "Protestants tell a lot of lies about Catholics and the Catholic Church". Lying is a sin incidentally.
I wonder if your pastor received an expedited catechesis? I don't know how things might've been back then in Australia but I think nowadays if an RCIA team is aware that a person may pass away before the normal pace of the program is concluded, they might do what they can to move them to their first sacraments faster. For the sake of their eternal soul.
 
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I've suspected for a while that the flow both ways, Catholic to Protestant and Protestant to Catholic, is about even in the US. How one parses the numbers can be interesting. I tend to think Catholic converts are more learned than evangelical converts. And I think those who choose Anglican or Lutheran churches represent a separate category of Protestant converts.
 
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When I was Presbyterian, my old pastor was having some doubts about the Protestant position. He even went so far as to say "I sometimes wonder if Protestants get into heaven... I don't think God accepts the division of His church as easily as we do..." (or words to that effect).

I said to him "If you believe that, then why are you still Protestant?" He thought for a moment and then replied "They (the Catholic Church) have done a lot of damage at times".

We left it at that. It was late in the day in the sense that I would shortly leave his church as I was getting married and would move some distance away. He had cancer and died about four months after I departed so we both left at about the same time so to speak.

I think he mentioned he had started RCIA but added "That's if I live long enough". I had no idea what RCIA was at the time so I didn't take a lot of notice. But he would not have lived long enough.

He predicted I'd become Catholic, with a couple of other comments thrown in. My father was Catholic (but he lost his faith - I think he's in Hell personally due to an incident the night he died, and church teaching anyway) but when the pastor said he thought I'd become Catholic I responded "It seems to me that God has taken me out of the Catholic Church through my father."

He said "I think God might want you to go back there". A few yearrs later I did.

I didn't come from a strong family Presbyterian background. My parents married in 1953 a year before I was born. He was (lapsed) Catholic and she was Anglican. Back then there were dogmatic opinions about who could marry who and where. My mother happened to work in what was then one of Brisbane's biggest retail stores called McWhirters. but they've long since closed. They were in a suburb next to the City itself called Fortitude Valley.

Right behind McWhirters was a Presbyterian Church. The builiding itswlf is now heritage listed, and being used as a nightclub (shows how the church is going). I can't prove it but I suspect my mother sweet talked the then pastor into marrying them. She could talk to anybody.

But he probably insisted on a quid pro quo - any issue would have to be baptised Presbyterian. That's where they married, and that's where I was baptised.

My later sister (six years later) wasn't baptised at all, although I think she had herself baptised as an adult as she was moving towards Christ when she died of leukemia at the age of 45 (another of my old pastor's predictions viz. "I don't think your sister will live very long. I think she'll get leukemia").

So in a family of four we had a lapsed non-believeing Catholic, a half believing Anglican, a nominal Presbyerian (until I took it seriously at the age of 28) and one non-baptised. Until I took it seriously none of us went to church although I had a bit of Sunday School when I was young.

To quote the pastor "Your family is like a microcosm of modern Western Christendom - more mixed up than scrambled eggs".

Anyway if he'd lived long enough, I think he might have become Catholic. He wasn't virulently anti Catholic saying to me once "Protestants tell a lot of lies about Catholics and the Catholic Church". Lying is a sin incidentally.
Rich Mullins was attending RCIA and was on the way to joining the Catholic Church before a car accident took his life just days before he was to officially enter the Catholic Church. He was a Christian musician whose probably best known song is 'Awesome God'. Anyhow, I think it's kind of like 'baptism of desire'. They're in because they had committed to coming in.
 
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I've suspected for a while that the flow both ways, Catholic to Protestant and Protestant to Catholic, is about even in the US. How one parses the numbers can be interesting. I tend to think Catholic converts are more learned than evangelical converts. And I think those who choose Anglican or Lutheran churches represent a separate category of Protestant converts.
Oh, we lose more than we gain. We lose mostly people who never learned their catechism and are somewhat clueless Catholics. We gain mostly people who knew the faith they had and they know more about the Catholic faith than your average Catholic.

Why have we failed to teach the faith to so many? Why do people have to catch the Catholic faith almost on their own? Why do Muslims that convert mostly do so after dreams about Jesus?
 
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I've suspected for a while that the flow both ways, Catholic to Protestant and Protestant to Catholic, is about even in the US. How one parses the numbers can be interesting. I tend to think Catholic converts are more learned than evangelical converts. And I think those who choose Anglican or Lutheran churches represent a separate category of Protestant converts.
It does flow both ways. But based on this forum and a lot of other reading, I've come to the conclusion that converts to The Catholic Church are (in general ) much more serious that the other way around.

The Catholic Church loses lazy people while she gains people on fire for Christ.... IMO
 
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I was born Catholic but fell into sin that was made doubly worse by thinking I was justified for leaving and arguing against the Church and her teachings.
I thought I knew the Bible but wound up going through several denominations because I was never satisfied in any. They all seemed to water down the Gospel and make it into an I’m ok your ok scenario which was one of the reasons I left the liberal Catholic Church of the 1970s. I was one of the first to receive the sacraments of the Novus Ordo, beginning with Communion in 1970.
While I was Protestant, one of my Assembly of God pastors defended the faith. He told me that he can no longer question the spirituality of those people. I was shocked as at the time as Jimmy Swaggart was Pentecostal and vocally anti-Catholic. I remember thinking then what did I ever leave the Church for in the first place? We are supposed to show the world that Catholicism is wrong, not give into it.
I don’t know if that Pastor ever became Catholic. I pray that he did. It was still another 15 years and three or four more denominations before God called me home to His Church.
I can’t say that I had anything to do with it, but I can credit the existence of Christian Forums for being part of my return home, that was in 2003, and it was not for another 16 years till God completed my conversion in 2019. I was a denomination shopper looking for affirmation from other people, but when I submitted to the full authority of Christ and His Church, God gave me the grace of the peace that passes understanding


I don’t care what people think. I tried to answer the question that Chevy asked, but I could not stop from speaking of my experience. I will sing and testify of God’s mercy forever
 
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