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President Trump confronted South African president about murders and persecution of white people
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Hey, I just found out from a DNA test, that I'm 40% Czech... Like you! But in America, I'm a white ex-slave holding racist, because my skin, even though the Czechs never held slaves...
...That's why most Americans don't like "woke" people. They have really bad ideas and very limited sense.
IMO... IMO...
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"the Czechs never held slaves"
Erm, not sure if serious.
You might want to read up on the history of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia when it comes to slavery, particularly the roles of Prague and Brno as major centres in the East-West and North-South slave trading routes. Not to mention the roles of the various Bohemian and Moravian dutchies in raiding pagan Slavic tribes to take slaves.
Unless you want to take a really narrow (and weird) view of history, and only argue the Czechs only came about in the early to mid 1800s following the Czech nationalist revival?
Erm, not sure if serious.
You might want to read up on the history of Bohemia, Moravia and Silesia when it comes to slavery, particularly the roles of Prague and Brno as major centres in the East-West and North-South slave trading routes. Not to mention the roles of the various Bohemian and Moravian dutchies in raiding pagan Slavic tribes to take slaves.
Unless you want to take a really narrow (and weird) view of history, and only argue the Czechs only came about in the early to mid 1800s following the Czech nationalist revival?
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Nope, rhe black people were baddies for enslaving other black people and then deciding they could make a buck off of it. They were the baddies.
See I can do this all day.
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Or those of us who said we needed to understand the violence of the Palestinians because Israel declared it independance in 1948.
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Doesn't make you correct though, just childish. I'd say the previous post you replied to did have it pretty correct. In the context of just USA, it was white people who were in the wrong, which is the context where discussion seems to happen in this case, not in Africa.
As a curious sidenote, Finland didn't have slavery, not in the type of a human being being owned. There was something else though that came pretty damn close, but I think that might be closer described as generational indebtedness.
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France also contributed significantly. Huguenots were early settlers in South Africa, and many Afrikaans people have names of French origin (first names and surnames).
And they usually do speak English. Not as a first language (and therefore not necessarily particularly well), but they're required to learn two languages at school, and for nearly all white people those will be English and Afrikaans.
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Well, the 9th century is probably not the cultural racist skin-color context he meant. Slavery was normal everywhere in the world till the late Middle Ages after which Christianity abolished it through various decrees and cultural changes (even though the colonies in America somehow ignored it, while calling themselves Christians).
I think he meant the US context of slavery based on skin color or possibly colonialism. Slavery of the type "captivating slaves from the members of the enemy tribes" existed and was common even in pre-Colombian Americas, Africa, Asia, everywhere. In Czech lands, it was rather because of the position in the center of Europe than about any kind of racism and people from these lands were captured as slaves by enemies, too.
As I said somewhere in some other post, people of all colors and basically even all tribes of people participated in slavery in some point of time, because it was a normal and common institution in early societies. It was like participating in wars between tribes as such.
I think the kind of today's shaming "because your people participated in slavery" is really about the time in which it was already morally judged as evil, but people did it anyway and even with all the absurd cruelty one can imagine, just because they deemed the slaves less human based on their skin color. And the following racist segregation in the USA.
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9 indigenous languages Xhosa, Zulu, Ndebele, siSwati, Setswana, Xitsonga, Sepedi, Tshivenda, and Sesotho.
There are more languages but these are the official nine. English, Afrikaans, and SA sign language are also official languages making the list 12.
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There is a reason I'm doing this. Yes America had slaves. You see people absolutely refuse to put it in context with the rest of the world at the time. Only white people are associated with being bad. That is complete hog wash. The entire world was bad. The moment you claim "white people are bad because tgey had slaves in America" you negate the fact that all people of all races in nearly every place in the world at the time was bad because there was slavery everywhere. I mean for crying out loud native Americans had slaves BEFORE white people came.
You can't do just USA context. To do so is myopic and narrow minded. There is a political agenda at play and its to paint white people as STILL the baddies. And those that blame whites solely for slavery need that in order to show hiw whites are worse than everyone else and are to blame for all supposed racial problems in the US. They are desperate to paint the US as a bastion of racism and oppression and whites as the oppressors TODAY. That can't be done without blaming whites only for slavery.
There is an agenda here.
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Then why dont you show some understanding of the times in which people lived when slavery gad been a thing for thousands of years?
Understanding is not condoning. Same goes for the US. You can't blame white people in general for the actions of some white people 200 years ago when none of us were involved in something that was condoned by nearly the entire world. You can understand how that happened in the US under the conditions of the time. You can understand it all without condoning it.
But blaming white people solely is understanding nothing.
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Beliefs are predicated on fact. The man has racist tendencies.
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You know white people enslaved other white people. But guess that was better because they weren't racist about it?
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Two different things. Slavery is not inherently racist. Black slaves were first brought to the new world because they were resistance to tropical diseases, larger and stronger than the Caribbean natives who were beinning to die out from European diseases anyway. The racism comes into it as a justification for keeping them enslaved. When they were slaves in Africa they were just slaves. In the New World they were slaves of an inferior race.
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