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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Exactly why is it so hard to condemn the murder of Jewish civilians?
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Some individuals and groups view Israel as an oppressor and Hamas as a resistance movement, which shapes their moral framework for judging violence in the conflict. For these people, condemning the killing of Jewish civilians feels comparable to criticizing someone who fights back against a bully, because they see the violence as a form of justified resistance to long-standing oppression. This narrative is reinforced by groups that explicitly frame Hamas’s actions as legitimate resistance rather than terrorism, arguing that such violence is an inevitable response to occupation and oppression.
However, this perspective overlooks a critical distinction in international law and ethics: even in struggles against occupation, targeting civilians is never permissible. Legitimate resistance does not justify the murder of noncombatants, and conflating the two undermines universal principles of human dignity and the laws of war. The difficulty in condemning such acts often arises from deeply entrenched narratives, political loyalties, and a tendency to relativize or excuse violence based on perceived historical grievances or power imbalances.
However, this perspective overlooks a critical distinction in international law and ethics: even in struggles against occupation, targeting civilians is never permissible. Legitimate resistance does not justify the murder of noncombatants, and conflating the two undermines universal principles of human dignity and the laws of war. The difficulty in condemning such acts often arises from deeply entrenched narratives, political loyalties, and a tendency to relativize or excuse violence based on perceived historical grievances or power imbalances.
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Doh, I should have added more detail to my question
something like why do people find it hard to condemn the overall strategy of Murdering Jews and making it as hard as possible for the IDF to minimize collateral damage and acknowledge an objective of the terrorists to provoke attacks and make it hard for the IDF to minimize the collateral damage so they can condemn the collateral damage.
something like why do people find it hard to condemn the overall strategy of Murdering Jews and making it as hard as possible for the IDF to minimize collateral damage and acknowledge an objective of the terrorists to provoke attacks and make it hard for the IDF to minimize the collateral damage so they can condemn the collateral damage.
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Why do you find it so difficult to condemn the deaths of civilians in Gaza through direct action by the IDF ordered by the current Israeli government?
For the record:
I condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by Hamas and other organisations against Jews, Israelis and anyone else.
I also condemn the acts carried out by the current Israeli government.
And in general I condemn all acts of inhumanity regardless of who they are buy and whom they are against. Why do you find it so difficult to do the same?
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All actions that will certainly cause innocents to be killed should be condemned.
As an additional issue Hamas has a clear strategy to increase collateral damage and should be called out for it.
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What's the point of this thread?
Is there some weird issue with Jewish civilians being murdered more often in the US than other groups?
Is there something special about them being civilians instead of Jewish cops of Jewish members of US Space Corps?
Are they more special than the abused wife in your neighborhood? The convenience store clerk about to get robbed? The bar patron who hit on the thugs girlfriend? Do tell.
And why do you think this is "politics"?
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Nobody here seems to have any difficulty with that.
None of that has anything to do with murdering Jews of any sort, civilian or otherwise.
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I don't understand why people are not more careful when discussing terrorist attacks against Jews.
Not because Jews are special but because it is clear that many terrorist are part of a large organization with a clear agenda to provoke Israel into attacking them and make it as hard as possible to minimize collateral damage.
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This is the American Politics section. What attacks are those?
They aren't.
None of this makes sense outside of context. Your post remains vague.
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there are many people make posts in the American politics forum along the lines of "there is not enough condemnation of the terrorists"
and I agree because of particular acts by the terrorists such putting terrorists bases below hospitals.
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I was not aware of terrorist bases below American hospitals. It seem like you are talking about a different country and I don't know why you feel some need for people to talk about it at all.
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I don't want any good people being killed. But why only care about Jewish people being killed? I'm sure a lot of people, that were supposed to be protected. By the US government. Was sent back to their country to be killed. A bunch of people in Russia and Ukraine are being killed.Because of Putin terrorists attack on Ukraine. Both Palestine and Israel people are being Because of Hamas terrorists attack.
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There is nothing special about the Jewish people being killed, However their killers are not condemned enough.
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