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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive

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The use of an autopen in the Oval Office has sparked controversy because it raises questions about **who is actually authorizing decisions**. While autopens have been used by multiple administrations, including Barack Obama’s, some critics argue that relying on an automated signature could obscure whether the president personally approved certain documents.

Recently, House Republicans have focused on former President Joe Biden’s use of an autopen, questioning whether he was making decisions himself or if others were authorizing his signature. The Heritage Foundation has claimed that Biden’s administration used an autopen extensively, particularly when he was traveling. However, legal precedent supports the practice—**a federal appeals court ruled in 2024 that the absence of a physical signature does not invalidate a presidential action**.

Ultimately, the debate centers on **transparency and accountability**—whether the use of an autopen undermines confidence in presidential decision-making or is simply a practical tool for efficiency.
Would you be more likely to approve of Democratic policies if you were sure that Biden had been clear of mind about it and signed his name himself?
 
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Would you be more likely to approve of Democratic policies if you were sure that Biden had been clear of mind about it and signed his name himself?
Well that would make it legal
 
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Would you be more likely to approve of Democratic policies if you were sure that Biden had been clear of mind about it and signed his name himself?

Would you be more likely to approve of Democratic policies if you were sure that Biden had been clear of mind about it and signed his name himself?
If someone is already skeptical of a President’s cognitive abilities, knowing he was fully lucid and personally involved might make them more comfortable with the policy process, even if they disagree with the policy itself.
 
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Thanks. It's my mother. This came on suddenly and without warning.
My oldest brother was 16 when he died, I was 7
Then my father died when I was 17.
My other brother died in 2009, so it's just me and her.
I'm going to have to put her in a nursing home. She is 90 and has been living on her own with no problems until this came on suddenly.
(I worked nights for over 10 years, I liked it then but wouldn't want to do it now)
Sorry to hear this. It is hard to take care of a senior with dementia. I had to do the same with my mom. Sometimes she was happy in some past memory that seemed very real to her. Other times, she was was seeing imaginary gunman or something unpleasant. There was no convincing her they were not real.
Eventually, I could not watch her alone. She would get up in the middle of the night to go look for the kids when it was in the 30s outside. It was initially hard but it was best to put her in a memory unit which the best thing for her. She calmed down, and had her stuffed cat to take care of and my stress level dropped a great deal. I went to see her the day before she passed and she remembered me, and told me she was going to her mother's house for Christmas. You have my sympathies and prayers.
 
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And he still went on to defeat Kamala. That's gotta hurt
Misogyny reigns, has for a long, long while. But what really hurts is what the administration is doing to our country and the rule of law.
 
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Are you aware on any evidence that he didn't authorize it?
Here is evidence. Probably not anything you would accept, but evidence nonetheless. At least evidence that biden was not reading what he was signing. It could be quite possible that in his demented state, staffers put an executive orders in front of him and lied about what he was signing.

 
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The fact that an auto pen exists and was used at all in the oval office is problematic.
I don't disagree. It was probably also problematic for previous presidents who have used the autopen for decades up to this point, and probably a rubber stamp before that. If there's a problem here, it's far from a new one.

But...if anyone wants to make the claim that President Biden's autopen, or Trump's for that matter, was used inappropriately, or by someone else without the president's knowledge, then you need evidence to prove that. And until there's evidence that something like that even happened, let alone pointing to someone who did it, well, as I said before, it's all just sound and fury signifying nothing.

-- A2SG, man, that's a handy expression....
 
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Sorry to hear this. It is hard to take care of a senior with dementia. I had to do the same with my mom. Sometimes she was happy in some past memory that seemed very real to her. Other times, she was was seeing imaginary gunman or something unpleasant. There was no convincing her they were not real.
Eventually, I could not watch her alone. She would get up in the middle of the night to go look for the kids when it was in the 30s outside. It was initially hard but it was best to put her in a memory unit which the best thing for her. She calmed down, and had her stuffed cat to take care of and my stress level dropped a great deal. I went to see her the day before she passed and she remembered me, and told me she was going to her mother's house for Christmas. You have my sympathies and prayers.
I concur wholeheartedly. When my mother in law first exhibited signs of Alzheimers, there were a few times when she wouldn't know who her husband of thirty years was, and once, she ran out into the street screaming that a stranger snuck in her house and was going to attack her. Fortunately for all concerned, they lived on a small dead-end street and all their neighbors knew them, so everything was okay, but it easily couldn't have been.

-- A2SG, there is no feeling like having a parent look at you and not know who you are.....
 
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I concur wholeheartedly. When my mother in law first exhibited signs of Alzheimers, there were a few times when she wouldn't know who her husband of thirty years was, and once, she ran out into the street screaming that a stranger snuck in her house and was going to attack her. Fortunately for all concerned, they lived on a small dead-end street and all their neighbors knew them, so everything was okay, but it easily couldn't have been.

-- A2SG, there is no feeling like having a parent look at you and not know who you are.....
We had my mother-in-law, and it was something of a nuisance but the way it took her left her in a happy mood. Wherever she was, she was having a good time, so we didn't have to feel too bad for her. I understand that some people become angry and aggressive with it and realize how lucky we were.
 
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There’s a segment of supporters who are 100% for Trump but there are plenty of people who voted for him who aren’t.
I’m not 100% behind him, he’s doing some things that I question and some things that I don’t support
It’s 2:40 am here, I am just up because I am watching a family member with dementia. What time is it there?
I'm so sorry BPPLEE. That must be a rough gig. My thoughts and support to you and yours.
 
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My wife and I were out with a few friends a couple of years back. The subject came up. It was obviously a depressing subject to talk about. And my wife said something along the lines of not knowing how she'd cope if I had it. So trying to lighten the mood, I said 'Well, at least I'll be able to fall in love you with all over again'.

All the girls, including my wife, went 'Ahhh'. The guys tried not to look impressed.
 
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We had my mother-in-law, and it was something of a nuisance but the way it took her left her in a happy mood. Wherever she was, she was having a good time, so we didn't have to feel too bad for her. I understand that some people become angry and aggressive with it and realize how lucky we were.
The best advice we got was from one of my wife's cousins, who was a health care worker who dealt with people with memory issues. She said to not correct my mother in law when she was remembering something that either never happened or happened a long time ago. Just agree, let her think whatever she wants to, and pretty soon she'll reset, and either come back to the present, or go off on another memory. Like when she'd ask where her husband was, who died a year or so beforehand; we simply said he'd gone to the store and would be back in a minute. It wasn't easy, but it did help her feel better, which was more important than us correcting her or reminding her about stuff she would forget again.

-- A2SG, as my wife's cousin used to say, if she thinks we're on the moon, say it's a lovely Earth in the sky tonight...
 
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The best advice we got was from one of my wife's cousins, who was a health care worker who dealt with people with memory issues. She said to not correct my mother in law when she was remembering something that either never happened or happened a long time ago. Just agree, let her think whatever she wants to, and pretty soon she'll reset, and either come back to the present, or go off on another memory. Like when she'd ask where her husband was, who died a year or so beforehand; we simply said he'd gone to the store and would be back in a minute. It wasn't easy, but it did help her feel better, which was more important than us correcting her or reminding her about stuff she would forget again.

-- A2SG, as my wife's cousin used to say, if she thinks we're on the moon, say it's a lovely Earth in the sky tonight...
That is excellent advice EXCEPT when the person in question is the most powerful in the country and the so-called leader of the free world. This non-contradiction is dangerous. Invoke Amendment 25 and let him live out his life at Mar-a-Lago. At that point, he should be protected by his mental incapacity from prosecution - although the money should be clawed back and the children subject to whatever laws may apply.
 
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Kentucky Republican Rep. and House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer plans to bring in the masterminds behind former President Joe Biden’s autopen usage, one way or another.

On Friday, Fox News released their interview with Comer where he stated during the final months of the Biden presidency, not only presidential pardons, but executive orders were being signed via autopen.

Comer is confident he knows who these staffers are that were signing documents on behalf of the president, and plans to subpoena the ones that won’t come in willingly.

 
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In the interview — posted to social media platform X by the Oversight Committee on Thursday — Comer revealed that there had been a massive uptick in pardons and executive orders during Biden’s last 100 days in office.

Further, Comer stated, there were four staffers who were asked for an interview — but “lawyered up” instead.
On the staffers who are pushing back, he told Hannity, “The four staffers that we’ve asked to come in for transcribed interviews, they have all lawyered up. They are taking this very seriously, and this is going to be a battle to get to the truth.”
Comer also mentioned two important components of the Biden autopen scandal that nobody denies.

Firstly, the autopen — a machine that replicates a signature in place of the would-be signatory — was used.
Secondly, the left accepts what the right has been saying for years: Biden was cognitively unfit to serve.

“Anything pertaining to the law has to be signed by a person,” Comer explained. “No one in the Biden administration is denying that the autopen was used. No one now is denying that Joe Biden wasn’t mentally fit to make some of these decisions.”

Although each side may disagree on when Biden became unable to serve, the last 100 days Comer mentioned were during the last three months of 2024 through Trump’s inauguration in January — well after his disastrous June presidential debate with Trump forced him out of the presidential race and compelled his defenders in the Democratic Party to withdraw their support.

Clearly, the four staffers mentioned have a lot to explain.

 
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